Air Cargo Carriers Info?

Off In The Jungle

Off In The Jungle

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Hey Folks,

anyone have any info on this group? i was wondering about bases, base pay, training bond etc.

I see they are hiring with the following mins:
ATP written
1200 total time
100 me
1st class med
Willing to move
 
all I have ever heard is negative things about this company. Never personally worked there, but friends have and did not like it. Reasons to include Mx, tasks asked to complete, and schedule (it's freight so I don't know why they thought it was going to be a cake schedule)
 
All I know from talking to a couple of them is that they will mention what a first year FO will make in a year. What they won't say is that it includes you per diem unless you ask.
 
Loaded for these guys back in the mists of time (mid-90s). They worked hard and the F/O got wet a lot (ask an F/O on the Irish Concorde about that). That said, there are worse things, esp. if you've under the 135 PIC mins. From what I've heard not much has changed...you'll work your fingers to the bone and get paid not much to do it, but if you stick with it you'll come out with an ATP, a type rating, and a lot of friends. I have heard that you're less likely to be asked to do 134 1/2 and get violated than at other places. It is what it is, but what it is isn't bad, at least relative to the other places you might go. Good luck.
 
Flew for them 2005-2006. I was based in MYR on a DHL route so I didn't really work that hard. DHL had their own loaders.

The good... Great place to start out if your below 135 PIC mins. No autopilot or GPS so your really flying and polishing up your skills. Training was a lot of fun. I'm not sure if the farm house is still being used in MKE but some people say its haunted. Upgrade was consistently about a year. The Shorts is a fun and easy plane to fly. I miss flying the Irish Concorde. Shorts can handle ice like a champ. Check out this video.

The bad... If you fly a UPS route, you will be loading the freight. Beckley, WV route was 6,000 pounds every night. Also UPS route means spending nights, Thanksgiving, Christmas in Louisville. Time off was very difficult to get. My friend was told he would have to work on his wedding day. And yeah, the FO's seat is almost always a moldy heap of stink. If its raining, the escape hatch drips all over you.

Keep in mind my experience there was with their old chief pilot who was a bit off in his own way.

I'm not 100% sure but the on demand side of the company was dead a few years ago. If that's still going, its 100 times more fun than the scheduled stuff but the flying is inconsistent. Rarely would those guys top 30 hours a month.
 
jeflies said:
Flew for them 2005-2006. I was based in MYR on a DHL route so I didn't really work that hard. DHL had their own loaders.

The good... Great place to start out if your below 135 PIC mins. No autopilot or GPS so your really flying and polishing up your skills. Training was a lot of fun. I'm not sure if the farm house is still being used in MKE but some people say its haunted. Upgrade was consistently about a year. The Shorts is a fun and easy plane to fly. I miss flying the Irish Concorde. Shorts can handle ice like a champ. Check out this video.

The bad... If you fly a UPS route, you will be loading the freight. Beckley, WV route was 6,000 pounds every night. Also UPS route means spending nights, Thanksgiving, Christmas in Louisville. Time off was very difficult to get. My friend was told he would have to work on his wedding day. And yeah, the FO's seat is almost always a moldy heap of stink. If its raining, the escape hatch drips all over you.

Keep in mind my experience there was with their old chief pilot who was a bit off in his own way.

I'm not 100% sure but the on demand side of the company was dead a few years ago. If that's still going, its 100 times more fun than the scheduled stuff but the flying is inconsistent. Rarely would those guys top 30 hours a month.
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Hahahaha....you see in the comments of your video someone called Abel a ramp worker? I'll have to tell him that, thanks for posting the vid.
 
b182fly said:
What is the typical wok schedule? How many days on and off?
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6 on, 1 off on the UPS runs, 5 on, 2 off on some of the DHL runs and one DHL run was 2 weeks on, 1 week off. The charter stuff was 2 weeks on, 1 week off. I did UPS, DHL and charter. This info is from when I was there 2 years ago and could be different now. I would highly recommend looking for employment elsewhere. PM me if you want more info but like I said, I am two years removed from ACC but still know people there.
 
ocdflyboy said:
try 6 weeks and 0
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No thanks. I'm pretty sure you're doing aerial mapping, which can be rough. When I was working on hours I was towing banners, and even that had a decent schedule. Don't accept the first job offered.
KSCessnaDriver said:
Really? 5/2 is rough? Man, I'd like to live in a world where I had any thing remotely close to 5/2
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Were you held up at gun point and forced to accept the job? You live and you learn, now i guarantee you'll never accept a job that allows such little time off.
 
Erik1010 said:
No thanks. I'm pretty sure you're doing aerial mapping, which can be rough. When I was working on hours I was towing banners, and even that had a decent schedule. Don't accept the first job offered..
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With no other information, please don't make assumptions on my options and choices.
 
Erik1010 said:
Don't accept the first job offered.
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The best advice I heard was to always take the first offer, then go to better jobs as offers arise. You're losing a lot of income waiting for other offers that may never actually materialize.
 
Hacker15e said:
The best advice I heard was to always take the first offer, then go to better jobs as offers arise. You're losing a lot of income waiting for other offers that may never actually materialize.
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If the first job offered was blasting around the stratosphere in an F-15, I'd agree. ;)
 
Boris Badenov said:
If the first job offered was blasting around the stratosphere in an F-15, I'd agree. ;)
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Wasn't my first job, kiddo.

Yep, had crappier jobs -- in and out of the military -- before working my way to one that I enjoyed that much.

I'm going to use that same strategy with civilian jobs as well.
 
ocdflyboy said:
With no other information, please don't make assumptions on my options and choices.
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It wasn't an assumption, only my .02. I do realize some circumstances don't allow someone to be patient. However, I didn't accept a mapping job due my my family (at the time), I stayed in a part-time flying position and worked full-time in something other than aviation.

Hacker15e said:
The best advice I heard was to always take the first offer, then go to better jobs as offers arise. You're losing a lot of income waiting for other offers that may never actually materialize.
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If that was the case, I'd be at Great Lakes.I do realize some people cannot wait for a better opportunity to arise.
 
Erik1010 said:
If that was the case, I'd be at Great Lakes.I do realize some people cannot wait for a better opportunity to arise.
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I know a good number of guys who fly for their 'career destination' majors who followed that strategy, and are in fact the ones who recommended it to me.

Again, the root purpose behind that strategy is to not miss out on paychecks you would otherwise be getting while waiting for something else to come along that may never happen. Since "it's only business", for the most part pilots are free to drop out of training or quit when they please in order to go accept offers at better companies when they do show up.

Obviously, when using this strategy, it's important to know about things like training bonds that can keep you from effectively execute it.

If having a paycheck isn't as important as holding out for just the right job (or if there are other factors), then obviously there's no point in using that strategy.
 
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