I did not say that is what caused this. Obviously it was a base to final stall/spin. I was just stating my coworkers account. And he seemed to think that it made the situation more intense for the pilot.
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I did not say that is what caused this. Obviously it was a base to final stall/spin. I was just stating my coworkers account. And he seemed to think that it made the situation more intense for the pilot.
darrenf
resident denizen
And I didn't say you did, but it is part of what you implied by quoting your co-worker. You also say it made the situation more intense, so now you do say it contributed. I'm simply saying that I can't imagine any situation in which a voice on the radio would affect the safety of a flight. Perhaps it's all those hours of my primary instructor yelling at me, I don't know.
P.S. I take it back, if the voice on the radio is the pilot of an F-16 saying I violated airspace and am about to be fired upon, I could see that transmission affecting the safety. A controller, or anyone else without a way to physically contact my aircraft, not so much.
Yeah definitely that. I just went back and listened to the liveATC recording and it doesn't sound like the controller overreacted at all.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
Actually the guy seemed kind of forgiving as he only said "cut it in tight" instead of berating the guy. Now saying "cut it in tight" could have been a factor in a potential stall/spin situation however I don't know what else the controller could say in that situation.
The base traffic is the aircraft that crashed. The base aircraft either cut off the final traffic or was in a position to have a mid-air. Both aircraft for 9R were Cirri.
Wheelsup23
Well-Known Member
I know a few facts from this accident, witnesses claim the nose dropped and the plane went down, stall on approach. Firefighters/rescue could not locate crash site for close to an hour, they had to go on top of a nearby tall building to pinpoint the crash site. Three people on board and no survivors and the flight was local originated from KMLB. Too low to deploy the parachute or possible panic and failed to do so?
inigo88
Composite-lover
Check out: http://www.liveatc.net/forums/atcaviation-audio-clips/sr22-crash-at-mlb/
The site owner made an mp3 of the relevant transmissions leading up to the accident, but you need to create a forum username in order to see the attachment and download it. I haven't listened yet because I'm in class...
The site owner made an mp3 of the relevant transmissions leading up to the accident, but you need to create a forum username in order to see the attachment and download it. I haven't listened yet because I'm in class...
n57flyguy
Well-Known Member
Teach spin recovery rather than spin avoidance at the primary level? Not that you can recover from a base to final stall/spin necessarily, but at least you'd get to see what happens if you push it that far. I know I know, :deadhorse:...
Edit: RIP to the pilots, and sorry your friend got a front row seat to that accident on final. Pretty much sucks all around.
Accelerated stalls in addition to that.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
Wait, how did the controller make it "more intense"?
Wheelsup23
Well-Known Member
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/NT...crash/-/1637132/9156018/-/i5aoxl/-/index.html
only pilot was the 44 year old
only pilot was the 44 year old
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
Seems it was speculation based on previous experiences with the controllers at said airfield.
Talk about terrible news reporting. Tons of speculation that has absolutely no facts behind it. They could have gotten a lot of the facts they needed based on the ATC transmissions on live-ATC.
Hence my question regarding what the witness/friend said.
Also why pilots don't always make the best witnesses of aviation accidents. They tend to "fill in the blanks", instead of saying simply what they saw. Not all of them, of course, but Ive seen it more often than not when taking witness statements, forcing me to redirect the questioning accordingly.
Just spoke with my coworker (pilot of the AC on final) a few minutes ago and his exact account...
The base traffic started turning to avoid him, and he did the same to avoid the base traffic. They were close but far enough apart that my coworker couldn't tell exactly the type of aircraft. In his words they were not on a collision course with each other. When the controller said "cut it in tight" is when the guy really yanked it over and then stalled, according to my coworker.
Of course this is all "speculation." Not that my fellow instructor is capable of being an effective witness of whatever.
I think adults in general make bad witnesses because we try to connect the dots.
Sidious
Well-Known Member
I worked with this controller for the many years that I flew at MLB and I can say he is NOT the one that gives the tower the reputation of being "difficult". Extremely sad what happened but I hope that this isn't pinned on this controller in any way. I guess we we'll find out in time though.
Not necessarily. It's moreso found with people who have experience in the business, they try to connect the dots with what they think they know. Not found as much with a layperson adult.