Is being a professional pilot really that bad?

"Give a pilot a bag of money and he will complain about how heavy it is"



That being said, I still love my job...most of the time! Sure beats sitting behind a desk and working for a living.
 
I'll chime in a bit, even though I might not belong the the kind of airline you are looking at.
I've enjoyed all the aviation related things I've done so far. Flight training was a blast, flight instructing was really rewarding, and my latest job flying the van in the jungles of Borneo and New Guinea is really awesome.
I might not have the biggest paycheck (however, quite a lot more than what a RJ FO makes on the other side of the pacific I guess), and the flying is very varied. 90% scheduled pax flights, and the rest is a mix of vip charters, and cargoflights to remote mountain communities (the guys with bows and arrows etc).
It wont be my last job, as I'm always looking for a suitable job back home at some point in the future, but I love what I'm doing, even if it's in what I would call a 3rd world country for the most part =).
I really agree with what someone else said on here: The internet is really not a good place to gauge job satisfaction. For proof, go and check out pprune...

Think the best advice I've seen over the years is: Don't jump into this profession with a huge debt. If you finish flight training with the need of a good paycheck, you will really hate it all.
 
Just remember that people talk more when things are bad. When things are good people tend to just cruise through life instead of realizing what its happening around them (unless it is unusually good).

If you wonder if you will like this job ask yourself if you can see yourself ending up anywhere in the industry and still enjoy the flying. Even if you somehow get a job in a C-150 for the rest of your life.

Most of all remember that a jet engine is just another form of propulsion. Not the making of a sky god (at lest not anymore ;) ).
 
When the job is good, its great. When it is bad, it absolutely sucks.

For perspective, I work at the eastern side of Surejet. I've been here for 4 years and even if things turn awesome in an instant I'm still looking at 2+ years for an upgrade.

The good: The flying can be a lot of fun. You get to do a lot of things that you'll never get to do in GA. While not that exciting in the sim, your first cat II approach to mins will be an eye opener. You'll fly in some challenging situations that can really make you feel good after you work through them. You'll work with some great people. When nonreving works, its pretty spectacular. In theory, you'll have the ability to walk to any airport in the US and get on almost any airplane to anywhere. The first time you're strapped into a first/biz class seat to somewhere overseas, you'll be expecting someone to come bursting through the door at the last minute to accuse you of stealing. But instead, you're sipping on a glass of champagne as the door closes and the jetway pulls away. Almost everyone will find your job interesting and ask lots of questions. When you're finally able to gain the seniority, you can regularly work only half the days in the month. You'll get to interact with passengers and feel proud of yourself for getting them safely to be with their family, go to college, go to a job interview, etc. As you exit security, you'll see people from your flight run straight into the arms of loved ones and think "wow, I had something to do with that." Among other things.

The bad: The job can be greuling. You will be pressured to do a lot of things that you really shouldn't. You'll hear the ATIS say the winds are gusting to 50kts and know that the entire east coast is doing the same thing. You'll scare the pants off yourself. You'll fly some absolutely broken down pieces of crap and have to explain to the passengers why the gear won't be retracted for the flight, and its going to take a lot longer to get where you're going than it should. You'll work with some absolute s. You'll be subjected to their political, religious, whatever rants simply because they are in charge. You'll fly with a guy who refuses to kick the rudder out in a crosswind because "momentum will sort it out". You'll be stranded at different airports around the country when you are trying to get at home. You WILL miss important family gatherings (you might be single now and think that isn't a high priority...but odds are, at some point they will be). You'll be asked some absolutely stupid questions by people with zero manners "hey....where's gate 3C?" "Umm...that's your seat number." When you are junior, your company will own your ass. You will finish a trip on your birthday and be on your way out to see your wife in the parking lot because she has a weekend away planned, only to find out you were extended and are now out $300 that she spent to rent a cabin. This job is grueling, just as you finally feel recovered from your last trip its time to go back to work. After diverting to CAK instead of PIT you'll be told "now I'm going to miss my job interview and I'll stay unemployed, this is your fault!" even though the weather was the reason for the divert. At times you'll feel stuck at a company that has no future, but despite 4 years in the grind you're not "experienced" enough to move on somewhere.

If you're expecting someone to come on here and say "everyone who dislikes their job is full of crap, its great!" you are mistaken. Just like everything else, there's good things and there's bad. I promise you that when you "make it" it won't be anything at all like you pictured it. I thought I had a pretty realistic expectation for this industry, thanks to this site. Yet, I was still underwhelmed when I got here. Its not THAT bad all the time. Its more that maybe its not quite worth all that I put in to get here. But this is my trade, this is what I'm good at.

Great post, this is exactly what I was looking for. I know, its not gonna be peaches and cream or even close to it. I wasn't expecting this at all-If you're expecting someone to come on here and say "everyone who dislikes their job is full of crap, its great!"


Basically, I wanted to hear good things about professional aviation because all I've heard, prior to my post, were bad things. I'm ready to accept all the good and bad of the career.
 
My buddies with Southwest, FedEx, etc love it. Hell, good buddy of mine in his 4th year at SW make over $200K...mid 250's this year. They seem to love it but they are with good airline right now.
 
Try working the beat for 9 years, and then go fly professionally. You will find you have a lot less to gripe about. It's not as bad as some make it out to be. If you love to fly, and you don't let others get you down, I firmly believe you will succeed. You will also have fun while you're at it!
 
I've had, at last count, 7 non-aviation, non-pilot jobs and 7 pilot jobs. Yeah, the other jobs had their own particular suck to them, but I suppose I'm the exception (or more likely, one of the exceptions) to this rather dubious rule. I still find plenty to complain about. This "love it or leave it" crap is just as inane when discussing an industry as when discussing a nation. There's room for improvement...let's get to it!
 
I've had, at last count, 7 non-aviation, non-pilot jobs and 7 pilot jobs. Yeah, the other jobs had their own particular suck to them, but I suppose I'm the exception (or more likely, one of the exceptions) to this rather dubious rule. I still find plenty to complain about. This "love it or leave it" crap is just as inane when discussing an industry as when discussing a nation. There's room for improvement...let's get to it!

I've also had a number of non-aviation jobs. I've waited tables at 3 separate restaurants, I've worked construction, and I've even sold used cars.

No, that doesn't make the things that suck about aviation suck any less, but hey, it's 2am local and it's lunchtime. I must be cranky or something. I need more CFIs or student pilots to tell me how I've probably never done anything else in my life, because OMG FLYING IS SO COOL!!!111one.
 
The job's cool, though the guys running the show seem to have no idea what's going on a lot of the time. The view is nice, but so is the view of my wife...from my couch.

That being said, if you want to fly airplanes for a living, and airplanes are inherently designed to go places, you'll spend some time away from home.

The co-workers are fantastic, and probably the best part about the job.

Pay sucks where I'm at (a regional), but it is what it is.

All that being said, I've gone to school full time (and I'm going to school part time right now), I've been furloughed, I've worked in a field, I've ski instructed, and I've raked bunkers at a golf course to pay the bills, and overall, I'd say this job is alright. There are better and worse things you can do with your time, it just depends on what you want.

But in the end, Doug says it the best: if you want to fly airplanes, fly airplanes. If you don't want to fly airplanes, don't fly airplanes.

It's about as simple as that as far as I see things.
 
If youre single, love occasional challenges and like to hit the bars for a drink, you will love the job.
 
I think one thing to point out is that somehow college programs make people think that professional pilot = part 121 pilot. There are many, many other things outside of the 121 world that are enjoyable. That said, find me one job doing anything, anywhere that people don't complain about something in the job.
 
I think it is like the great majority of jobs in the world. If your personality fits, then it is a good job. If it doesn't, then it is a terrible job. People can tell you what they like or don't like about the job, but only you will know what appeals or doesn't appeal to you.

In addition to the negatives that you can easily see, there is the nagging worry about making the next flight physical. In aviation, developing a medical problem has a double whammy. You not only have the medical problem, but you livelihood is also impacted.
 
I sold real estate for 5 years and worked an office job for 2+. I couldn't see myself doing those things for the rest of my working years. I have been at a regional for 7 and worked in aviation for a total of 10 years. The drawbacks have already been mentioned in earlier posts. It has been a rougher road than I expected, but ultimately I really like what I do and have no plans to change careers.
 
As you exit security, you'll see people from your flight run straight into the arms of loved ones and think "wow, I had something to do with that." Among other things.

I guess using that logic, so does the UPS guy who delivered the screws to the manufacturing company that installed them in the oleo strut of the plane you're flying.
 
While the company shenanigans may appear tiresome, as soon as you sit down in your cockpit, everything vanishes and you know you have the best job in the world.
 
So I'm getting my ratings at university flight school and all I ever hear about professional aviation is how bad it is. Its always the same old song and dance. Horrible hours, poor pay, stressful job, and paying your dues in the regionals, 5/200 people make it. Yeah I get it. Does anyone actually enjoy being a professional pilot out there? I have never heard anyone have anything good to say about it, and frankly I'm getting sick of all whiners. Yes, everything has its ups and down, but does every person I ask about an aviation career have to be a pessimist? There are so many harder and less rewarding jobs in the world, even in the good ole USA.

So please, I'd like some feedback, from a person who actually enjoys their job as a pilot, about their career and any suggestions for getting my foot in the door.

Thanks guys :beer:

PS don't tell me to pick a different career because this is what I've dreamed of doing and I'd rather fail at it, then try something else. I get this told a lot too.:banghead:


I enjoy my job. I'm a F/O at one of the two big integrated cargo carriers. I have great job security, pay, benefits and a fully funded pension. I have enough seniority that I get the types of trips that I want to fly (week on-week off). I'm making over $170,000.00 as a mid-seniority first officer and I don't do any overtime or accept any J/A assignments. I'm in no hurry to upgrade as I'd rather be a senior F/O than a junior captain. I've already filled the major airline captain square in a previous life, so no ego that needs to stroked to be one again.

My advice to you would be to avoid the regionals and fly 135 freight. It will make you a better pilot than the typical regional pilot. Then you can get on with one of the big ACMI carriers to gain widebody and international experience. Our company loves to hire from the ACMI carriers.
 
I'm not in aviation for the money, but the challenge and fulfillment you get from being a pilot. I've never had a lot of money nor am I worried about making a lot. Its something I can be proud of doing.


Not here. I'm one coin operated pilot. It's a JOB. Do something fulfilling on your time off.
 
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