Plane slides off Medina County runway
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boondr
Penalty Vectorer
Is it me or does it seem like that nose has a lot more damage than you would expect from an aircraft that is still sitting on it's gear. Maybe a deer or something?
Edit: Never mind just looked at the larger picture and saw there is grass and dirt in the damage. Photo must be post-towing.
Edit: Never mind just looked at the larger picture and saw there is grass and dirt in the damage. Photo must be post-towing.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
I am surprised the FAA caught wind if this if this is a skypark aircraft. I would have expected them to tow it into a hanger and have it flying by the next morning...
That is if you go by the rumors about that place.
Serious question. How do you get damage like that and not hit the prop?
That is if you go by the rumors about that place.
Serious question. How do you get damage like that and not hit the prop?
Murdoughnut
Well sized member
If I knew I was going off-roading and couldn't do anything to avoid it, I'd probably pull out the mixture - not to save the engine, but to avoid the sound and violence of a prop strike.
Inverted25
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Don't believe everything Jhughz tells you. I don't know of any accident that happened there that wasn't handled properly by the authorities. The flight school and airport wouldn't be so successful and busy in these tough times if it operated in a deviant manner like some would like you to think. Most of the negative press comes from competitors in the area who can't compete with their prices so they try to bash the school to potential customers. And I have no affiliation with the school and haven't for the past two years so I don't defend it because it benefits me. But I do still fly my plane there often and keep in touch with instructors there.
jhugz
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I've seen it happen numerous times, not second hand, in person. Plane goes into the hangar, FAA never gets notice. MX is down right scary, the main A&P hit an airplane while driving across the runway, don't know how he got away without doing a drug/alcohol test. (Take that how you want) The number of accidents that flight school has is disgusting, they have a CFI with complete disregard to regulations, in fact I think he's considered the chief CFI. The only reason they stay so busy is because they pay their CFI's pennies and their airplanes are barely airworthy. I did my PPL, IR, & CSEL there and in hindsight, I wouldn't do it again, no matter how much money I saved. I was looking at the price tag only, and that just showed my inexperience at the time.
Inverted25
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I am just going to agree to disagree with James. My experience there was different. Old airplanes but I never flew one that scared me because of bad maintenance. The only thing I will address is that CFI's all charge the student directly the school makes no money off them
XLR99
Well-Known Member
There's a ~2ft deep drainage ditch between the end of the runway and the road. Some tard-master kids found out the hard way drag racing on the runway in the middle of the night a few years ago...
FWIW, Hugz isn't making this up - I saw some of the same incidents he's refering to.
That said, everyone's experience is different.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
Actually I never needed to talk to him. From looking at some of their aircraft up close you can tell the aircraft isn't maintained well. I have also met a hotshot CFI out of there that seems to have no problem with using only the last 1500ft of the
6000ft runway available in a 152. Not to mention the hill and towers at the end.
My favorite story about the place its when they safety wired the fuel selector of their Geronimo.
I have met many of their students and they certainly do not get good instruction for the little they pay. One guy had I flew with no idea how the NASA forms worked.
zmiller4
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I'm not sure that knowledge of the ASRS program is the best barometer for quality of instuction.
Autothrust Blue
“If you jump on my shift, that’s just rude, man.”
No, but it is handy when the lack of quality instruction results in "N123AB, possible pilot deviation, after landing suggest you call Atlanta Center Operations Quality Assurance, area code four zeeroh four..."
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
That was just an example. I flew with the guy. That is how the ASRS thing got started.
Yeah, but it's not exactly a good sign either.
zmiller4
Well-Known Member
If you want to establish the ineptitude of a flight school, it's probably better to emphasize the behavior that would lead to them needing to know about the ASRS program--of which a lack of knowledge would not cause a violation or checkride failure (is it on the PTS? do the PTS still exist?) by itself.
I told my students about the NASA program. I spent much more ground time with them on airspace, weather, and the airplane. I would guess 50% of them would retain what I told them...but that was early/mid 2000's, and if FAA enforcement for GA has increased as it has for 121 since then, I admit it's probably a *much* more useful program now.
Inverted25
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That CFI wouldn't happen to e named logan would he?
Inverted25
Well-Known Member
The quality of the instructors varies being independent instructors. The instructor I did all my ratings with is a well respected CFI with thousands of hours dual. He does instruction other places as well. He happens to be a A&P IA as well so I trusted him when he said the planes were safe
R
Roger, Roger
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You know, I've found that mechs who fly often have a lower standard of airworthiness, so to speak, than pilots who are just pilots. The guys that wrench, know exactly what is and what isn't important. Example:
Pilot: the interior trim is falling off, the paint looks like crap, and when latched there is a gap at the edge of the door! Oh teh noez, this plane is so shoddily maintained, I'm gonna die!
Mech: yeah, I didn't have time to fix that because I was replacing the cylinder with the cracked head and the plane had to fly in the morning, also I'm not authorized overtime right now, so suck it up princess.
Pilot: the interior trim is falling off, the paint looks like crap, and when latched there is a gap at the edge of the door! Oh teh noez, this plane is so shoddily maintained, I'm gonna die!
Mech: yeah, I didn't have time to fix that because I was replacing the cylinder with the cracked head and the plane had to fly in the morning, also I'm not authorized overtime right now, so suck it up princess.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
Flying Cargo there is nothing aesthetically appealing about the aircraft, but seeing and hearing the history of Skypark really makes me feel safer in a high time crappy looking cargo plane than a Skypark plane. An example again being a Piper Geronimo having the fuel selectors safety wired to the main tank position. Not a safe thing for a twin that may need a cross-feed in an emergency.
Logan is a kid right? The instructor I am talking about instructs in a cirrus around the area and at skypark. A flight instructor is a guy you should never have to point a finger at and tell your student to "not be that guy".
Let me put it this way, we were just flying the pattern and the guy managed to get us into a position that an ASRS would help out (only reason why it was brought up).
I also have flown with another guy that could barely fly instruments and was a commercial instrument pilot that flew regularly. Guy paid for flying at a local cargo outfit and they kicked him out for that reason.
The PTS still does exist and the ASRS program isn't in there. With that said, DPEs may not follow the PTS as they should.
jhugz
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Maurus
The Great Gazoo
I do fly freight.
I did find it funny he mentioned that to a cargo pilot.