United 93 - Accident Investigation
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brent p h
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http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html
Not taking either side. But I came across this and havent had time to check all of it out yet. An elaborate conspiracy? I dunno......but there are a few interesting points that have not been addressed.
Not taking either side. But I came across this and havent had time to check all of it out yet. An elaborate conspiracy? I dunno......but there are a few interesting points that have not been addressed.
brent p h
Well-Known Member
After a quick glance-over of the material anyone with an inquisitive mind/nature will begin to ask questions. -Human nature- 101.
darrenf
resident denizen
And in fact, I did ask a question. I guess you missed it.
flyingbum
Needz Re-Edjamacayshun
Because everyone has been spoon fed the "official" story. The questions come from it not adding up.
brent p h
Well-Known Member
Technically speaking, I could not find any relevant proof to support "the other side".
-Well unless you want to count this....and no I am not challenging the "official story either".
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flyingbum
Needz Re-Edjamacayshun
Technically speaking, I could not find any relevant proof to support "the other side".
-Well unless you want to count this....and no I am not challenging the "official story either".
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A puppet has to have his strings manipulated to earn a living...
Okie_Pilot
Pitts Builder
Ironic.
Qutch
Question everything
Calm down there Darren and ATN_Pilot. . Your skepticism is alright with me. . No offense taken at that. . Its O.K. with these guys if you ask questions (politely we'd hope.) These guys are not asking you to take my word for anything. . They are just suggesting that you 'take the time' to carefully study the subjects of your attacks, preferably before you attack. . You both sort of fired your pistols before they'd cleared their holsters. . I've shortened my posts up a lot for you two drive-by serial posters since you both admit that you have not read or studied them. . That's O.K. I don't think the majority of people here have read them. . It interferes with efforts to rack up posting numbers. .
We hope you "have time" now. . Please take the time. . Then come back and explain to us why neither of you believe the "conspiracy nuts" on the videos below. . Don't just copy and paste the Popular Mechanics articles again. . We'd like to hear each of your personal thoughts and analysis if you could focus them on the factual errors made by the five (5) "conspiracy theorists" seen below. . That would be helpful to us since I think this is where a lot of us are hung up. .
We're on your side. . We want to believe the Official Government version of the 911 story. . But we just can't figure out a plausible or really convincing defense for the integrity of the 911 Commission Report and its "Official Story" if the 911 Commissioners themselves are having doubts about its integrity (which is a much nicer way of putting it than the words they used for it. I couldn't post all of their comments since some of the language they used violates forum rules for decency). We're not trying to take sides. We're just trying to figure out how we can ignore the increasing number of derogatory statements being made by Washington insiders, former FBI officials, State Department officials, former CIA analysts and the Commissioners themselves, about the reliability of the information contained in the 911 Report. . If you guys could figure that out for us, that would be a big big help.
Thanks.
Qutch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtQY4u8gHTo One of the 911 Commissioners eventually quit the Commission suggesting a cover-up. . He called it a "scam" and "disgusting." He is former Senator and 911 Commissioner Max Cleland. . Vietnam War vet and former Director of the Veteran's Administration. . Later head of the Import-Export Bank. . So the question is, if this guy didn't trust the Commission and refused to remain on it, why are U.S. citizens denied the right to question the Commission's findings without being ridiculed? .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0LBARGBupM&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DhvSC4Sbv0 Commission Chairman(s) Lee Hamilton and Thomas Kean have both begun to complain publically that the Commission was manipulated and "set up to fail" by those who appointed them. . Kean claims they were appointed by "the most partisan people" in Washington D.C. . Not exactly a ringing endorsement of their own Commission. .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDfm3NroVG8 911 Commissioner Bob Kerrey tells a symposium participant that 911 is part of "a 30 year old conspiracy."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2RKXE2iAO8&feature=related Fox News's Senior Legal Analyst, Judge Anthony Napolitano talks about the connection he sees between 911 and the JFK assassination. . Judge Napolitano believes "we should be suspicious of everything the government tells us," .
There are a lot more of these available for those willing to look at them. .
darrenf
resident denizen
Calm down? I didn't know I was excited in the least. :dunno:
I tried to look, even though they are just youtube links, but not one of your links work.
Qutch
Question everything
Sorry. They still work on the original posts (for now). Or you can paste these link addresses into you address bar. . That should work. . You'll figure it out.
Thanks
Qutch
staledog
Well-Known Member
The original links which still work are in post #326.
inigo88
Composite-lover
Qutch, I bowed out of this thread many pages ago because I don't think arguing here is really conducive with the 'networking and making friends' purpose of this forum. However it's like a train wreck I can't stop watching.
I just wanted to point out that you may have better luck getting your links looked at (and minimizing technical difficulties) if you embed them. To embed a video, either click the film icon above the quick reply text box, or type [ video ] your URL here [ /video ] (without the spaces inside the brackets).
I can't remember if I saw this in one of your posts or elsewhere, but here is Lou Dobbs (not exactly the poster-child of the "liberal media") from five years ago accusing the US government, the FAA and NORAD of flat out lying in their after action reports on flight 93. Hopefully this is somewhat relevant to the original topic (from 16 pages ago), the first 5 minutes relate to the FAA/NORAD response to United flight 93.
[video=youtube;ITUmx7jRja4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITUmx7jRja4[/video]
ATN_Pilot said:
Todd, I've followed a lot of your threads over the years. You seem like a very nice guy and I respect you, so the following is not meant as a personal attack. I would however like to point out that in the above quote you're using the Ad Hominem logical fallacy, which is not very nice. Here's some more information:
wikipedia said:
I think that the subject at hand is controversial enough as it is, with bad and inaccurate information from both sides we have to weed through, that it should be easy enough to attack the credibility of the information alone without resorting to the fallacy of saying "this entire argument is invalid because it is being made by young people who are arrogant and don't know anything about the world." (I think that same argument was made once or twice back in the sixties, although being a damn no good college kid that was admittedly before my time.
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Jet
Well-Known Member
Haha! That is a very good point. It's similar to when you're at work, it's usually not a good idea to talk politics or religion. I try to not say anything out of line on here because you never know if your next boss is on here or who is reading these forums. However, Doug keeps our personal information (email) locked in his virtual vault so unless you picked a user name linking to your identity, I wouldn't disclose your name to other JCers you happen to meet in person if you're acting like an aceclown on here. I still don't understand the people in the networking section trying to score man-dates, you won't catch me meeting anybody off here unless it's related to getting a job. A lot of people might want to post in here but like you said, they'd rather not jump into such a controversial topic and possibly ruin their image.
Qutch
Question everything
Written to inigo88 at Post 131
1) inigo88, your post #s 127 & 128 get my nomination for the longest, best documented post on this thread. . You said "Please leave all the WTC tower and Pentagon conspiracy theories out of this conversation, and check the emotion at the door. Having a casual and objective discussion about structural engineering and building methods is not going to dishonor anyone's memory ......." Yet I noticed you were being criticized immediately by FAYEV. . So I understand why you "bowed out of this thread many pages ago." But I'm glad to see you back. . I appreciate posters who document their core claims. .
2) Thanks for the CNN video above. . I opted to include the Fox News/Judge Napolitano video first because its Fox, considered a more conservative network. And I'm trying to offer the most conservative evidence first, with the Commissioners themselves and Fox fitting that criteria. . But you are correct, Fox isn't the only network that's dared to report on this (a little).
3) I'm not looking for man dates either. . Let's try to understand what happened. . It took the Warren Commissioners many years to admit that they didn't really believe their own report. . Now their documents (and those like Operation Northwoods and Operation Midnight Climax) are being quietly declassified. . The media isn't reporting on it, but the docs are available for review and questions are getting answered finally. The 911 Commissioners are coming out much faster than the Warren Commissioners did, and the internet is distributing their doubts even faster. . I think its possible for critical thinkers to figure some of these mysteries out sooner rather than later. . Its not for everyone, but its interesting to some people. . Not only the 911 Report itself, but the psychological reaction of people to being introduced to information that the US media omits (or downplays) telling us. . Fascinating reactions from those who launch attacks on others merely for questioning the Official Report. . I also admire those who make the leap, the subject of post #156.
Qutch
hambone
Well-Known Member
Sorry. I meant dismissive.
ChasenSFO
hen teaser
Yeah, its not like they're real people and they might be kick ass friends. They're just cyborgs on the interwebs who wanna corner you with "a/s/l?" in a dark corner of an AIM chat room and virtually molest you. Good call. This way people know that whenever you try to meet up, the purpose is self-serving. Networking FTW.
As far as the rest of the thread...aye yi yi.
flyingbum
Needz Re-Edjamacayshun
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011...mittee-calls-for-a-new-911-investigation.html
Put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!ONE!!!!!!!!!ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!ONE!!!!!!!!!ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!