United proposes 94 seat RJ's

Bumblebee said:
that's the point of my question....forget it. If they want to fly 100 +/- people around, let it go back to mainline....
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Oh absolutely, agree.

The E-170s and CR900s flying around right now are nearly identical to the first class and coach capacities of DC-9-10s.
 
Dad has flown 94 seat regional jets for Continental.

It was called the 737-100 and it paid small narrow body rates.

If 94 seats is what they want, that is how they can do it.
 
I hope they don't buy off on the "oh, it'll only be a couple" because it's not.

Once that camel's nose gets under the tent of narrow body flying, it's game over.

(I'm a 13 1/2 year first officer)
 
Nick said:
Although I'm sure the DC-9-10 could maybe hold 105 in an easyjet/Ryanair setup, I don't think that was the typical layout at all.

I think Northwest had 78 seats in theirs with the usual setup of 9-12 first and the rest coach.
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78 on the NWA birds.

TREMENDOUS fun to fly, especially out of MSP to points west. It would easily climb at 5-6000 FPM on a cold day.

"Turn right to 330, proceed direct when able, climb to FL 330, and let me know when you want to start down".

Lighter on the controls that the -30. The overhaul/mods that NWA did to them in 1990 made them uber-reliable, and at one point, the DC-9 fleet had the best dispatch reliability in the whole airline for several years.

It roared and snorted, and bellowed, and puffed out great gobs of black exhaust. It's glorious sound was that of the sky cracking open and the heavens falling. The smell was magnificiently pre-cambrian.

Of course, no FMS, no moving map, no VNAV, no altitude captuture, no real nav tracking, no magenta line, no good place to put your backpack, no outlet to charge your iPod/Phone/Pad, and it was kind of hot in the summer which might cause one's spikey hair to wilt a bit, so I can see why it'd be unpopular with the current crop of newbies.

Now you kids get off my lawn. Story time is over.

Richman
 
Richman said:
It roared and snorted, and bellowed, and puffed out great gobs of black exhaust. It's glorious sound was that of the sky cracking open and the heavens falling. The smell was magnificiently pre-cambrian.
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This is why I'd love to fly an old school DC-9...Noise + Smoke = Fun Airplane
 
I don't see anything in the company's proposal that would even come close to offsetting this provision. I can't imagine this would have many supporters in either pilot group.
 
Richman said:
78 on the NWA birds.

TREMENDOUS fun to fly, especially out of MSP to points west. It would easily climb at 5-6000 FPM on a cold day.

"Turn right to 330, proceed direct when able, climb to FL 330, and let me know when you want to start down".

Lighter on the controls that the -30. The overhaul/mods that NWA did to them in 1990 made them uber-reliable, and at one point, the DC-9 fleet had the best dispatch reliability in the whole airline for several years.

It roared and snorted, and bellowed, and puffed out great gobs of black exhaust. It's glorious sound was that of the sky cracking open and the heavens falling. The smell was magnificiently pre-cambrian.

Of course, no FMS, no moving map, no VNAV, no altitude captuture, no real nav tracking, no magenta line, no good place to put your backpack, no outlet to charge your iPod/Phone/Pad, and it was kind of hot in the summer which might cause one's spikey hair to wilt a bit, so I can see why it'd be unpopular with the current crop of newbies.

Now you kids get off my lawn. Story time is over.

Richman
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ROFLMAO <---you know what that means, right??? :pirate:

/A BIATCH!! Ehhhh...what is it, now? /W??
 
CaptBill said:
I don't see anything in the company's proposal that would even come close to offsetting this provision. I can't imagine this would have many supporters in either pilot group.
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You may have some better knowledge about this than the rest of us, and if you're able to let it out, is this for a total of 250 RJ's (up to 94 seats) or is it unlimited 50 seat RJ's, and then 250 RJ's up to 94 seats?
 
GaTechKid said:
The proposal stated 250 large regional jets. That to me says 70+ seats.
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The thing that makes me think it's all RJ's is because it makes specific mention for props, saying that there is no limit on those numbers. That's a pretty significant qualifier, and I believe that 50 seat RJ's are of equal significance, so I figure if those were unlimited also, the parenthetical statement would say, "50 seat regional jets and turoboprops are not limited by scope" or something to that affect.

Without that kind of statement, combined with the fact that this would be a massive INCREASE in the number of RJ seats out there (making the proposal less than a non starter), it makes me think that in the interest of cajoling the pilots into a quick agreement that it's for a total number of RJ's allowed.

Now on the other hand, if the company had come out and said, "We'll give you your pensions and pre-concessionary rates back as long as you take this scope agreement," then I could see the other side of this. But because the offer isn't even for parity with Delta, a contract that was signed a few years ago now, I can't believe that management would make such a mistake, as it would do nothing be embolden the pilot group and make them want to strike tomorrow.
 
This was a proposal the company offered the pilots last October. This brief company overview conveniently leaves out specific provisions that made this a no-go from the beginning. The intent of the RJ offer was inclusive of ALL (including 50 seats) regional jet flying, not to include props. There is a long way to go to make any specific predictions based on this proposal. The union has voiced much disdain to the company for putting this proposal online as they believe negotiations should take place at the table, not on the internet. Stay tuned....
 
Bad deal. United is probably going to be shrinking the size of the 50 seat fleet anyways, so there is no need for pilots to agree to this. The problem of to many RJs flying around will work itself out. 94 seats is a configuration for a E190 with first, economy plus, and economy.
 
CaptBill said:
This was a proposal the company offered the pilots last October. This brief company overview conveniently leaves out specific provisions that made this a no-go from the beginning. The intent of the RJ offer was inclusive of ALL (including 50 seats) regional jet flying, not to include props. There is a long way to go to make any specific predictions based on this proposal. The union has voiced much disdain to the company for putting this proposal online as they believe negotiations should take place at the table, not on the internet. Stay tuned....
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Give 'em hell!
 
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