Federal Air Marshal?

RogerWilco787

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Just curious, anyone ever been a federal air marshal or know anyone that is one? I am curious about pursuing that career because it seems like a really good opportunity, but I would like to get as much information about the pros and cons of the job.
 
I've never been a FAM, but was a FFDO. I can't really give you a whole lot of information, and if there are FAMS on this site they probably won't say a whole lot either due to sensitivity of the information and security. I was told that you are pretty much gone as much as an airline pilot doing a lot of traveling. Also, probably plan on being gone during holidays and away on weekends. This link will take you to the TSA website that talks about he process of becoming a FAM. Sorry I really couldn't help you out with the pros and cons. Good luck.
http://www.tsa.gov/lawenforcement/programs/fams.shtm
 
One of the members here, BillErvin, is a retired Federal Air Marshal, you might want to ask him. He has posted some quality information on other threads regarding the Federal Air Marshal Service.
 
I use to be a cop/detective. My good friend who use to work with me left for the air marshal. It's a boring job and he doesn't work there anymore. I got him on with a police department. You sit up in first class and go all over with no action. If that sounds good to you look into it.
 
I use to be a cop/detective. My good friend who use to work with me left for the air marshal. It's a boring job and he doesn't work there anymore. I got him on with a police department. You sit up in first class and go all over with no action. If that sounds good to you look into it.

Id do it just for the food in first class.

That would never get old......


:sarcasm:
 
Wait a minute! I thought all 121 pilots got the first class food anyway.

Don't tell me they don't, that's the only reason I'm trying to build time for the airlines! :sarcasm:
 
Id do it just for the food in first class.

That would never get old......


:sarcasm:

All those years of fixed wing and rotary wing experience being put to good use!!

MikeD's true career ambitions revealed!
 
Just curious, anyone ever been a federal air marshal or know anyone that is one? I am curious about pursuing that career because it seems like a really good opportunity, but I would like to get as much information about the pros and cons of the job.

Brandon... Why would you want to be a FAM when you could be a pilot and FFDO
 
My two deadheads yesterday confirmed that I would not last one week as a FAM. No way, no how.
 
It would be a bad idea to arm me if I were a FAM. I would shoot myself after a week.
:yup: You better not be an FFDO then either.:guns:

FAMs are not bound by duty time as pilots are which mean they can run as long as they want. From the research I have done into the subject they usually work in teams of 2 or 3 on the longer haul flights. This is so they can cover different sections and may be able to catch a little sleep. But you have to always be vigilant and assume everyone is a threat. This can be extremely hard to do especially on long boring flights when you want to sleep or space out.
 
I use to be a cop/detective. My good friend who use to work with me left for the air marshal. It's a boring job and he doesn't work there anymore. I got him on with a police department. You sit up in first class and go all over with no action. If that sounds good to you look into it.

If I remember correctly, somebody posted an article a while back stating FAMs don't even get first class anymore.
 
I looked into it, but I found it definitely was not a job for me. Long hours traveling away from home, trying to stay occupied sitting in the back. It's hard enough to stay enthusiastic up front sometimes.

On the flip side, after a few years in the field, other opportunities do present themselves. Plus, you get paid well and have Federal benefits. Not to mention most FAMs I have met are great individuals.

Definitely not a great job for someone with a family, but could be a great break into Federal LE for someone young and single who would like to travel.
 
I looked into it, but I found it definitely was not a job for me. Long hours traveling away from home, trying to stay occupied sitting in the back. It's hard enough to stay enthusiastic up front sometimes.

On the flip side, after a few years in the field, other opportunities do present themselves. Plus, you get paid well and have Federal benefits. Not to mention most FAMs I have met are great individuals.

Definitely not a great job for someone with a family, but could be a great break into Federal LE for someone young and single who would like to travel.

My main frustration lies with the lack of professional development. Ground details seem to be few and far between, and most investigative work is still accomplished by the FBI. This leads to most guys jumping ship within 2-5 years. In my very uniformed opinion, it would seem most efficient to allow the FAMs investigative duty (send them through CITP and designate them as GS-1811) and let the FBI handle the zillion other things they have stake in. Rotate the FAMs through air/ground details to reduce burnout and lower attrition thereby reducing costs. It seems like the G doesn't care about that, though - more attrition = more budget (not trying to take a potshot by any means, but that appears to be the case).
 
My main frustration lies with the lack of professional development. Ground details seem to be few and far between, and most investigative work is still accomplished by the FBI. This leads to most guys jumping ship within 2-5 years. In my very uniformed opinion, it would seem most efficient to allow the FAMs investigative duty (send them through CITP and designate them as GS-1811) and let the FBI handle the zillion other things they have stake in. Rotate the FAMs through air/ground details to reduce burnout and lower attrition thereby reducing costs. It seems like the G doesn't care about that, though - more attrition = more budget (not trying to take a potshot by any means, but that appears to be the case).

A valid observation. And you still want to be in CBP?
 
A valid observation. And you still want to be in CBP?

To be honest, I think I'd be happy doing anything from 121 to CBP. that being said, being home most nights, LE, LEAP, vendor training, and a 20-year retirement is certainly nothing to dismiss.

According to MSP, I'm #5 in the FW pool with "no end in sight."
 
To be honest, I think I'd be happy doing anything from 121 to CBP. that being said, being home most nights, LE, LEAP, vendor training, and a 20-year retirement is certainly nothing to dismiss.

According to MSP, I'm #5 in the FW pool with "no end in sight."

Was just asking since you mentioned the lack of investigatory or other professional development being a frustration. That and more will get you frustrated with the organization, just FYI :)
 
Was just asking since you mentioned the lack of investigatory or other professional development being a frustration. That and more will get you frustrated with the organization, just FYI :)

I hear you, although I THINK the flying duties and LE support role would keep me challenged. On the other hand, sitting in seat 8E knowing that anything I observe will be referred to another agency would be incredibly frustrating (personally). For me, it's all about collateral duties - it doesn't seem like FAMs are offered much of them (I could be wrong!).
 
When I was a frequent flier I could pick out the FAM's in a second.

~Young guys
~Both on isle of 1st class
~Opposite Sides
~One forward, one aft
~If you watch them they would make eye contact.
~No liquor - It's free up front.
~We were dressed for business. They were wearing NASCAR jackets and the like.
~Boarded before other 1st class passengers.
~Boarding pass sticking out of shirt pockets really gave them away because of the 'special markings'.
~Once one guy blows his cover two weeks later you see him on your flight, look for the other guy because they travel in pairs.
~Once on a DFW-LAX flight. Is LAX your destination? No, I stay on this plane and fly back to DFW.
~And my favorite. Guy sitting next to me dropped his tray table and filled out his Homeland Security time card.
 
FAMs are not bound by duty time as pilots are which mean they can run as long as they want. From the research I have done into the subject they usually work in teams of 2 or 3 on the longer haul flights. This is so they can cover different sections and may be able to catch a little sleep. But you have to always be vigilant and assume everyone is a threat. This can be extremely hard to do especially on long boring flights when you want to sleep or space out.

You mean as long as the bosses want, international flights can be brutal, There were Duty rules but they were generally ignored by the higher ups.

I won't go into team sizes, and seating but the point of FAMs is to protect the flight deck.

It can be tough to just sit there, a lot of guys have got degrees or advanced degrees while flying or did a lot of reading or played on computers.


If I remember correctly, somebody posted an article a while back stating FAMs don't even get first class anymore.

Refer to my last statement about protecting the flight deck;)

I looked into it, but I found it definitely was not a job for me. Long hours traveling away from home, trying to stay occupied sitting in the back. It's hard enough to stay enthusiastic up front sometimes.

On the flip side, after a few years in the field, other opportunities do present themselves. Plus, you get paid well and have Federal benefits. Not to mention most FAMs I have met are great individuals.

Definitely not a great job for someone with a family, but could be a great break into Federal LE for someone young and single who would like to travel.

Its True we're nice guys:rawk: LOL

Pay and per diem can be good but it can come at a cost to family. I cleared well over 100K before I retired, and so did my wife, but you have to consider that I had 26 years in the Feds and my wife retired within a few months of 30 years. I'm not sure that money is the best reason to join the Federal Air Marshal Service (FAMS) nor is the chance of moving to other agencies, it happens but its a small percentage.

The Job is Mission Centric, in other words Management's thinking is the job, the Mission comes first no matter what. Family and anything else comes second even the health of the Fam.

My main frustration lies with the lack of professional development. Ground details seem to be few and far between, and most investigative work is still accomplished by the FBI. This leads to most guys jumping ship within 2-5 years. In my very uniformed opinion, it would seem most efficient to allow the FAMs investigative duty (send them through CITP and designate them as GS-1811) and let the FBI handle the zillion other things they have stake in. Rotate the FAMs through air/ground details to reduce burnout and lower attrition thereby reducing costs. It seems like the G doesn't care about that, though - more attrition = more budget (not trying to take a potshot by any means, but that appears to be the case).

Preaching to the choir.... this has been talked about since most of us came on board after 9/11 its one of the biggest issues for the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association, (FAM Branch) and some progress has been made, but not nearly enough.

Promotions tend to still come from inside the field offices (Training,Ops,Etc) so called non-flying Fams rather than guys that do the job day-in and day-out. Some are good leaders and care about there guys... others, well.... not so much.

I don't generally recommend the FAMS as a way into federal service... CBP Border Patrol, or ICE investigations and/or Detention and Removal branches are much better ways in and a heck of a lot more interesting.

Hindsight being 20/20 my wife and I should have stayed at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (FLETC) Immigration Academy as Firearms Instructors. Pay was about the same and we'd probably still be there and not retired.

If you have other questions PM me
 
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