Power off 180 in Cirrus

ComplexHiAv8r said:
Careful, someone has to own the bird for you to fly....:rolleyes:



No, getting lift back on the wings. It's only a 200hp engine, not the mighty 310hp...
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I have flown with too many Cirrus owners, they stress me a lot more than the Chinese I'm flying with now.

A 70hp cub can get air flowing back on the wings quickly, I think 200hp will do just fine!

Most SR20 owners I met were cool guys, down to earth and bought a plane that was right for them and they knew they could handle it. Too many SR22 guys bought it only because they could afford it, those Cirrus salesmen could sell a snowball to an eskimo and they don't care if this airplane will kill somebody or not.
 
crazyjaydawg said:
I have flown with too many Cirrus owners, they stress me a lot more than the Chinese I'm flying with now.

A 70hp cub can get air flowing back on the wings quickly, I think 200hp will do just fine!
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Not sure about other birds, but mine there is a point on flare that a go around is more like a touch and go, get below 76kts and the bird wants (and does) seem to fall out of the sky.

Most SR20 owners I met were cool guys, down to earth and bought a plane that was right for them and they knew they could handle it. Too many SR22 guys bought it only because they could afford it, those Cirrus salesmen could sell a snowball to an eskimo and they don't care if this airplane will kill somebody or not.
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I'll take that as a compliment...I guess.;)
 
ComplexHiAv8r said:
Not sure about other birds, but mine there is a point on flare that a go around is more like a touch and go, get below 76kts and the bird wants (and does) seem to fall out of the sky.
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That's fine. If the plane touches down, it touches down. Doesn't preclude you from continuing with a go-around if you need one.
 
ComplexHiAv8r said:
Not sure about other birds, but mine there is a point on flare that a go around is more like a touch and go, get below 76kts and the bird wants (and does) seem to fall out of the sky.



I'll take that as a compliment...I guess.;)
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Yes you must fly a cirrus onto the runway. I like(d) flying them, the landings aren't a typical single engine type though...if you continue to hold it off until the stall horn you will fall onto the runway. I wouldn't say the sink rate is bad, you just need to fly it into ground effect and then glide onto the runway.
 
ComplexHiAv8r said:
Not sure about other birds, but mine there is a point on flare that a go around is more like a touch and go, get below 76kts and the bird wants (and does) seem to fall out of the sky.
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Every airplane is like that. To many instructors teach a go around as a maneuver that happens @ 25 AGL, when they should be teaching it in the flare. Go out w/ a CFI, I know a good one in the area too if you need it. Brush up on some maneuvers including go arounds in the flare.
 
jhugz said:
Every airplane is like that. To many instructors teach a go around as a maneuver that happens @ 25 AGL, when they should be teaching it in the flare. Go out w/ a CFI, I know a good one in the area too if you need it. Brush up on some maneuvers including go arounds in the flare.
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:yeahthat:

Go arounds are/have become just a manuever you know for your checkride ala s-turns and chandelles.

Yet people use touch and goes all the time, so what do they do when they need a go around? Yeah retract all flaps and then full power :banghead:
 
Just to make it official

K. TASK: POWER-OFF 180° ACCURACY APPROACH AND LANDING (ASEL and ASES)
REFERENCE: FAA-H-8083-3. Objective. To determine that the applicant:
1. Exhibits knowledge of the elements related to a power-off 180° accuracy approach and landing.
2. Considers the wind conditions, landing surface, obstructions, and selects an appropriate touchdown point.
3. Positions airplane on downwind leg, parallel to landing runway, and not more than 1000 feet AGL.
4. Abeam the specified touchdown point, closes throttle and establishes appropriate glide speed.
5. Completes final airplane configuration. 6. Touches down in a normal landing attitude, at or within 200 feet
(60 meters) beyond the specified touchdown point. 7. Completes the appropriate checklist.



It's not a recommended setting, it's the required setting.:beer:
So what time does the 7 o'clock news come on?
 
crazyjaydawg said:
Yet people use touch and goes all the time, so what do they do when they need a go around? Yeah retract all flaps and then full power :banghead:
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I have nightmares about that stuff. To drive home the point about not retracting the flaps all at once, I make my students fly down the runway at ~50kts with full flaps, then retract them all at once. I think it drives the point home.
 
ComplexHiAv8r said:
I can't remember the last planned touch and go I have done. Retracting to 50% is a good question when on the Cirrus.
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Yes a touch and go in a cirrus is a little different in that you don't bring flaps all the way up, but the go around is the same as any other airplane.

Full power then 50% flaps, positive rate then flaps 0%
 
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