Maintaining professionalism at 11 pm...

Screaming_Emu said:
If 10 mins makes a difference, you shouldn't be up in that stuff anyway.

I know blah blah blah things are different in Alaska blah blah blah...
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Depending on the circumstances 10 minutes can make one he'll of a difference in severe or eve moderate icing. And he doesn't want to be in it, he wants to be on the ground like you!
 
BajtheJino said:
Its not really mean. Peoples actions in life have consequences. But anyways-The dude hands out some peanuts or pretzels and give some dual given and the next thing you know he's the aviation expert of airline ops. I've hauled freight so I talk about freight. I fly 121 so I talk about 121. I don't instruct so I don't give instructing advice. I don't RV so I don't give ATC advice. Let he who has experience give advice and he that doesn't keep silent.
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This is sound advice from a guy who keeps getting passed over for a left seat spot because of his attitude w/ the company. I guess I would be bitter too. Actions have consequences though...where did I hear that before?

You haul some boxes Part 121 w/ MAC in the ATR. I'm just going to take a little guess and say there are some differences between 121 Pax & Cargo. You don't fly 121 Pax so why do you keep getting involved in the Airline Pilot Section of this forum or on discussions of Airline Pilots. Do as I say not as I do?
[modhat]now why would you want to egg him on...stick to the debate rater than the petty sniping mmmmk?[/modhat]
 
jhugz said:
This is sound advice from a guy who keeps getting passed over for a left seat spot because of his attitude w/ the company. I guess I would be bitter too. Actions have consequences though...where did I hear that before?

You haul some boxes Part 121 w/ MAC in the ATR. I'm just going to take a little guess and say there are some differences between 121 Pax & Cargo. You don't fly 121 Pax so why do you keep getting involved in the Airline Pilot Section of this forum or on discussions of Airline Pilots. Do as I say not as I do?
[modhat]now why would you want to egg him on...stick to the debate rater than the petty sniping mmmmk?[/modhat]
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I've always chuckled and wondered why pax pilots feel that their cargo is somehow more important than boxes. Seriously - pick 10 random people off the street and my guess is that only 1 or 2 are more important than a planeload of iPads, or even maxi-pads. And please don't say that there is some heroic need to protect or make safe the people on board. 121, 135, 91, 137 pilots all want to arrive safely at the destination...if they do that, their passengers or cargo will as well. 121 is 121 - who cares what is behind the cockpit door.
 
WacoFan said:
I've always chuckled and wondered why pax pilots feel that their cargo is somehow more important than boxes. Seriously - pick 10 random people off the street and my guess is that only 1 or 2 are more important than a planeload of iPads, or even maxi-pads. And please don't say that there is some heroic need to protect or make safe the people on board. 121, 135, 91, 137 pilots all want to arrive safely at the destination...if they do that, their passengers or cargo will as well. 121 is 121 - who cares what is behind the cockpit door.
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Ummmm, are you being sarcastic with this?
 
Boxes or pax don't matter......I would imagine that the pilot of a frieght or 121 operation both would like to live through that flight. I will say passenger carrying operations are more important because they have more important cargo, but in the end, I would imagine the desire to live is shared amongst any pilot, regardless of what is behind the door.
 
BrewMaster said:
Boxes or pax don't matter......I would imagine that the pilot of a frieght or 121 operation both would like to live through that flight. I will say passenger carrying operations are more important because they have more important cargo, but in the end, I would imagine the desire to live is shared amongst any pilot, regardless of what is behind the door.
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Doesn't matter what is behind you, when you go splat the front usualy goes first ;).
 
Seggy said:
Ummmm, are you being sarcastic with this?
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Nope.

I'm just as dead if I fly a freighter into the dirt as I would be if I had passengers in the back. Regarding safety, my decision making is no different based on the number of people on board.

I've always held the theory that if the cockpit makes it in one piece, then everybody else should be OK.
 
jhugz said:
You haul some boxes Part 121 w/ MAC in the ATR. I'm just going to take a little guess and say there are some differences between 121 Pax & Cargo.
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The only difference between Pax vs Cargo is passenger comfort, NOT SAFETY.

In cargo, you learn that there is a difference between "uncomfortable" vs "unsafe". As a pilot of a freighter I don't mind continous light to moderate turbulence, esspecially if I have a good tailwind, or can save a long deviation. Getting bumped around for 20 minutes is not unsafe, it's just unpleasant.

If I did the same thing with passengers, some of them would be terrified and puke all over the airplane.
 
WacoFan said:
I've always chuckled and wondered why pax pilots feel that their cargo is somehow more important than boxes. Seriously - pick 10 random people off the street and my guess is that only 1 or 2 are more important than a planeload of iPads, or even maxi-pads. And please don't say that there is some heroic need to protect or make safe the people on board. 121, 135, 91, 137 pilots all want to arrive safely at the destination...if they do that, their passengers or cargo will as well. 121 is 121 - who cares what is behind the cockpit door.
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The term "important" is the key word here. Although I did use it a post or 2 ago.

I think what Waco is saying is put an iPad and random pax in an empty room, and there is probably a good chance that the iPad is more important. Put them both in an airplane and it really doesn't matter any more.
 
Seggy said:
Ummmm, are you being sarcastic with this?
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No, wasn't being sarcastic. There is no difference between flying boxes or people in back in terms of the self-preservation instinct of the guy up front. I'm pretty sure the guy's flying for FedEx want to live every bit as much as a Regional or Major pax guy...maybe more because they have plenty of cash to spend on their days off! Seriously though - if you are flying a 777 with either frieght or people in back....you are going to be the first on the scene of the wreck. That is what most pilots probably should focus on. If the pilot arrives safely whatever is in back probably will too.
 
BrewMaster said:
The term "important" is the key word here. Although I did use it a post or 2 ago.

I think what Waco is saying is put an iPad and random pax in an empty room, and there is probably a good chance that the iPad is more important. Put them both in an airplane and it really doesn't matter any more.
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Bingo
 
I misread the initial post by WacoFan due to fatigue...

Let us go back and talk about canceling IFR at the gate.
 
We are't carrying anything on the way back, and I still want to make it home just as much as I did when I was flying passengers. There is a difference in the impact it would have in the world if you hurt or killed a bunch of people.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
True observation.

I'm not arguing "everyone should keep IFR to the gate". I'm arguging that he's in charge of his plane...if he thinks he needs to do this, then more power to him. Fly your own airplane and mind your own bidness.

...for the record.
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It becomes my business when the way you fly your plane interferes with the way i fly mine.

If you really wanna wait until you get to the gate to cancel, ok. I dont agree with it, and i dont think its necessary, but the least you could do is come up with a legitimate reason. I'm guessing its really just because thats how you were told to do it.

Im sure the 717 is beast to handle, and the lowly guys who fly tail draggers in 20k cross winds, or land on ice, or fly skis, or who land on 1800 foot strips, or in a 20 ft wide canal, wouldnt know any anything about the intricacies of driving a transport category plane at 5kts.

.... For the record.




ROADhouse.
 
Seggy said:
I misread the initial post by WacoFan due to fatigue...

Let us go back and talk about canceling IFR at the gate.
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cool hey Mark I don't get the canceling at the gate thing. Once you are out of the IFR structure (on the taxiway) what good does it do to keep the clearance?
I have never heard of this concept before. Does it have to do with flight following at this point?
 
Seggy said:
I misread the initial post by WacoFan due to fatigue...

Let us go back and talk about canceling IFR at the gate.
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I've personally stuck my foot in my mouth enough times that I've learned to go through the IMSAFE check before getting on JC. ;)
 
BrewMaster said:
I've personally stuck my foot in my mouth enough times that I've learned to go through the IMSAFE check before getting on JC. ;)
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This is a cool thing though, particularly about Seggy. He can disagree vehemently with someone and still not piss them off to the point that it is bad. Except when he physically threatened me for making fun of Jersey once. That's why I will never attend NJC.
 
WacoFan said:
This is a cool thing though, particularly about Seggy. He can disagree vehemently with someone and still not piss them off to the point that it is bad. Except when he physically threatened me for making fun of Jersey once. That's why I will never attend NJC.
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you can go if I go...I can't say I could take him, but I could buy you escape room....I think:D
 
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