Passenger Bill of Rights - huge issue here

JaceTheAce

JaceTheAce

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Well, thanks to the new Passenger Bill of Rights rules, airlines have canceled several outbound JFK flights including several transcons. Airlines can't take a the risk of being find around $4,000,000 for a fully loaded 737, so now they're just going to cancel the flight altogether.

That's what happened today - luckily I was able to get on a flight to LAX, but it was my 5th attempt (they just kept canceling them last minute).
 
Very true!

Hell, we're even delayed tried to avoid delays which, in turns, gets flights cancelled.
 
That's what the "Traveling Public" wanted. Well, that's what they got...

Going to be a lot more of that. Guaranteed.
 
I need to invest in a chain of airport hotels.

Waiting for takeoff in JFK a few days ago, there were loads of flights in the conga line going back to the gate when the winds kicked up and shut a runway down.
 
Doug Taylor said:
I need to invest in a chain of airport hotels.

Waiting for takeoff in JFK a few days ago, there were loads of flights in the conga line going back to the gate when the winds kicked up and shut a runway down.
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Perfect example.

Looks like I'll be relying on UPS and FedEx to commute to and from work more and more often.
 
Oh man, I hadn't thought about how this would affect cross country commutes.

I'll admit, the one saving grace of my commute was that SLC-EWR was never delayed, and it NEVER canceled. Now? Not so sure, and with only two flights per day, that commute could get dicey at best.
 
Doug Taylor said:
I need to invest in a chain of airport hotels.
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I wonder if the Yotel is a franchise. I'd put every penny I had into an ORD one if it is.

Whenever I hear someone complaining about cancellations because of this now I'm going to explain exactly why it happened and give them Kate Hanni's email address.
 
jtrain609 said:
Oh man, I hadn't thought about how this would affect cross country commutes.

I'll admit, the one saving grace of my commute was that SLC-EWR was never delayed, and it NEVER canceled. Now? Not so sure, and with only two flights per day, that commute could get dicey at best.
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But none of this should affect you now, thankfully? :D
 
zmiller4 said:
I wonder if the Yotel is a franchise. I'd put every penny I had into an ORD one if it is.

Whenever I hear someone complaining about cancellations because of this now I'm going to explain exactly why it happened and give them Kate Hanni's email address.
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I think that with a "McClean" would be awesome for most international gateways. Hell, I'd even put up a "Crew-Only" Yotel near the lounge in JFK.
 
MikeD said:
But none of this should affect you now, thankfully? :D
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Not anymore. Let's say I went back; Cleveland is a 2.5 hour drive from my house (I'd probably bid long call reserve and hope I never got called) and Chicago is a 4-5 hour drive from my house. Newark is a 1.5 hour flight, Chicago is a 1 hour flight, Houston is 2 hours, and the new JFK base is also a 1.5 hour flight, along with IAD being a 1 hour flight.

Going back is not out of the question.
 
jtrain609 said:
Not anymore. Let's say I went back; Cleveland is a 2.5 hour drive from my house (I'd probably bid long call reserve and hope I never got called) and Chicago is a 4-5 hour drive from my house. Newark is a 1.5 hour flight, Chicago is a 1 hour flight, Houston is 2 hours, and the new JFK base is also a 1.5 hour flight, along with IAD being a 1 hour flight.

Going back is not out of the question.
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Jtrain can finish law-school, then go to work at an airline. He can get his foot back in the door by accepting recall, then work his way into a corporate lawyer slot. Then, he can find ways to maximize pilot contracts for the benefit of the airline.

His alternative path, perhaps doing work for ALPA, is ultimately doomed because he can't grow a worthy stache.
 
Out of curiosity - with cancelling more flights, does the airline end up saving money on fuel burns and stuff on the flights that would ordinarily be operated at a loss?

I'm just wondering if there is any silver lining for the airline at all.
 
Don't burn fuel, and you tell the passengers 'tough crap' its the weather (ie. act of god) and presto, passengers stay on their own dime for three days.

Other than the "bad will" of cancelling flights the airlines financially love it.
 
OldTownPilot said:
Don't burn fuel, and you tell the passengers 'tough crap' its the weather (ie. act of god) and presto, passengers stay on their own dime for three days.
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Hell, man. If a plane gets delayed at 10 am due to thunderstorms and a flight cancels at 9 pm, they'll still blame it on weather.
 
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