Stop Flying in MOAs
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mtlatc
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As a prior MOA Controller I agree. Why must you fly right into the .
Or better yet, check when they're in use or otherwise hot, and avoid them then. They're not always hot.
Problem is, because it's legal to fly through them, people will. So that being said, if people just can't avoid them (and I'm talking underneath even, not just around), then they REALLY need to have their head on a swivel and be vigilant with see and avoid.
I hear you man, but you'll always get those that feel that because it's legal to go tooling through the middle of them fat, dumb, and happy; then it's also smart to do so.
Like I said, there are smart ways of doing it, if avoiding just isn't an option for some reason. Avoiding is always best.
mtlatc
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mtlatc
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BTW my MOA story.... http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20050126X00109&ntsbno=CHI05FA055A&akey=1
KSCessnaDriver
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So then, if you don't like other people in the area, make them a restricted area. Really, if you really don't want us in there, restrict it, its not that hard. Everyone knows the rules of the game before it started. Its not like one side was told its a restricted area, and one side told it was just normal airspace.
Is it dumb to just bust off through a MOA, perhaps? Have I done it? Yes. At the minimum, I listen to approach/center for who is controlling the area.
fholbert
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I thought I was the only pilot who felt that way. I go around them unless ATC says they are not active.
ian
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I had people blaze through my MOA many times and had to alter my profile for them....it's part of life
whats even better is crop dusters blazing through the pattern at our aux field at pattern altitude with no transponder or radio
fholbert
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Your story because you were involved in it?
ian
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sucks...glad you made it okay though....RIP to the other guy
tjvpa28
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Legal ≠ Safe & Smart...remember?
KSCessnaDriver
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Didn't say it was. But, if the military really doesn't want the general population in there, restrict it. Otherwise, they get to play by the same rules we do.
mtlatc
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As a controller yes.
mhcasey
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About one a week in the Sheppard MOAs.
Certain MOAs should definitely be restricted. Not sure I can personally do anything to change that though. I just don't think most GA guys realize the kind of maneuvering going on out there and how dangerous it can be for everyone involved.
We get them on low levels out here all the time too. Good stuff...
Did I say I didn't want you in there? No. I said that it isn't smart for GA to be going through active MOAs. You can safely fly through a cold MOA all day. However, if a GA guy must fly through a MOA for whatever reason, there are ways to mitigate the risk.
I don't know where you're getting that I want everyone to stay away.
Again, dumb to bust off through a hot MOA. That means, knowing what the status of said MOA is, is important. And listening to the approach/center controlling the area isn't really going to help you much, since the aircraft inside the MOA aren't normally talking to them, they're on a discreet. You only get people checking in/out, generally. The best thing is to either avoid, or have a head on a swivel if you must go through. Many MOAs, GA can generally avoid them by going under them, even if they're hot.
Because of the legality of it, I always expect someone else to be inside the MOA I may be operating in.......I have to expect it.
fholbert
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Altus, Sheppard or Fort Still?
That was the last AF vs GA midair. There have been several at KIWA here in PHX when it was still an Air Base back in the day.