flyingmaniac
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So, cigarettes don't cause cancer?
Reporting an Employer to ICE?
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So, cigarettes don't cause cancer?
It makes the case look more like sour grapes if you're going after them after the fact. Thats why its best if he has his facts and doesn't go off half-assed to the authorities, with rumor and innuendo as some are implying he does, rather than with fact and reasonable documentation. If he doesn't, he might be opening himself up for a civil suit from them.
NickH
Uber Driver
The immigration service is a complete mess. It's very unlikely that any report you make will even be linked to the right employer or aliens.
That said, the chances are they're doing what they do completely legally. M1, F1 and J1 all have provisions to allow aliens to work here for a period, not necessarily while training at the same time.
There's also a chance that they are working legally without documentation. Don't ask how that's possible!
There are so many pitfalls, that unless you know something for a fact, or really hold a grudge, it's probably not worth it.
That said, the chances are they're doing what they do completely legally. M1, F1 and J1 all have provisions to allow aliens to work here for a period, not necessarily while training at the same time.
There's also a chance that they are working legally without documentation. Don't ask how that's possible!
There are so many pitfalls, that unless you know something for a fact, or really hold a grudge, it's probably not worth it.
XLR99
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Wasn't there some news article a few months back about watch-list placeholders or known terrorists holding pilot certs? I think some news org or database company ran a comparison, IIRC. If the feds can't find them using their own database, I don't hold out much hope for them finding anyone NOT actively trying to destroy the US.
And James, like MideD and Stratopilot just said I'd worry about them coming back on you since you left on not so good terms.
+1 for just walk away in this case.
Wing_96
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We're talking about a flight school here, not a fortune 500 company. Most flight schools can barely afford to pay the bills, much less have an attorney on retainer.
Wing_96
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Sour grapes or not, if there is illegal hiring practices going on at this place, ICE is not going to avoid taking action simply because the information came from a disgruntled employee.
I agree that it would be helpful if he can gather as much information as possible. However, it's ICE's job to form a case and investigate formally. Not his.
tonyw
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Report 'em. Let's take you out of this for a second. I know it's hard to do, but let's do that.
What is this employer doing? Well, by illegally hiring people who are here on student visas so they can save money on wages, they get an unfair advantage on legitimate businesses. Those legitimate businesses may not be able to compete, because they actually pay people who are eligible to work here.
That means those legitimate businesses may have to lay off workers or not hire workers.
So, the company that is hiring people illegally is not only shafting its employees, it may very well be shafting other company's employees.
Report the son of a bitch and help send him to a pound me in the rear prison. He deserves it.
Do it anonymously. They can investigate and learn what they need to learn on their own. I'm sure there's a number you can call from the phone at a Denny's or something to report them.
What is this employer doing? Well, by illegally hiring people who are here on student visas so they can save money on wages, they get an unfair advantage on legitimate businesses. Those legitimate businesses may not be able to compete, because they actually pay people who are eligible to work here.
That means those legitimate businesses may have to lay off workers or not hire workers.
So, the company that is hiring people illegally is not only shafting its employees, it may very well be shafting other company's employees.
Report the son of a bitch and help send him to a pound me in the rear prison. He deserves it.
Do it anonymously. They can investigate and learn what they need to learn on their own. I'm sure there's a number you can call from the phone at a Denny's or something to report them.
drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
Have you established that they are, in fact, doing anything illegal?
SeanD
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After my former employer bounced my final payroll check I called Immigration on them. Not so much for revenge but because of safety. OSHA was making too many visits to the plant because the new super employees weren't comprehending safety instructions in English very well. They were also handling sensitive government materials. The ICE peeps were there within a few hours. I remained anonymous.
You sure about that? I wouldn't be.
To avoid wasting ICEs time, you have to go to them (us) with something more than an accusation from a former employee.
You mean that if I call ICE about a suspected undocumented worker at the Subway on E. Bell Road here in N. Scottsdale, you're not going to land a Huey in the parking lot with an extraction team? WhhHAaAAaaaaaaaat?!?!
You mean that if I call ICE about a suspected undocumented worker at the Subway on E. Bell Road here in N. Scottsdale, you're not going to land a Huey in the parking lot with an extraction team? WhhHAaAAaaaaaaaat?!?!
You got it partner! Too busy with other stuff. If we were to be able to do that, there's be no Filiberto's open, most of the Subways and many other restaurants would be shut down, and a good amount of of hotels wouldn't have housekeeping or grounds staff.
Wing_96
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No, I'm not sure about it. But, if the information is accurate, disgruntled or not, what then? If the company is engaged in illegal activity, wouldn't that matter?
How much investigating does the person need to do before ICE will take on the case? What kind of proof do they need?
It should. But if worked there, he'd hopefully come with something that a reasonable case could be built on. He doesn't need to show up with an airtight case of any kind, but something a bit more than rumor that can be looked at. He may already have that, I don't know. Am just saying what he'd need. With the amount of work most LE agencies, especially ICE/BP etc have, to get them to take your complaint with any timely manner of action, you gotta make it more interesting than the others. Thats all. I'm in full agreement with you of what should happen, it's just the how to make it happen that he needs.
Like a resume.....needs to stand out a bit from the rest.
I'll have to tell you about the Los Betos that was taken down in TUS......all that food left over that would go to waste..........
XLR99
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You guys are going to get me busted for laughing out loud in my cube.....
For those with a healthcare bent, JACHO is in da haus here today. Same idea as when a bunch of FSDO types show up 'to help', only with more silly knees-bent running around advancing behavior.
Oh, and those of us in NeOhio know very well of one local school that has lawyers on retainer, and will sue basically anyone, anytime.
ComplexHiAv8r
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Hay can you PM me the school. I want to get my CMEL and with this little information might be able to get a discount doing it.
Their laywers or Lakemore's???
Their laywers or Lakemore's???