As fifty cent said.....it ain't my fault

mrivc211

mrivc211

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It ain't my fault you decided to leave your old flying job to come to my airline to get your quick upgrade only to find out it ain't gonna be so quick. Don't fly with me if your bitter at the world, angry at everyone, and not willing to do your job professionally. Don't bring everyone else down because you're little plan of 2.75 years at a regional isn't going to work out.

Because of your attitude, your a hazard when you fly. You make a cockpit environment unsafe. The next time I fly with you, I'll ask nicely, then ask that you be removed.

To all the up and comers out there, it is not easy flying a 4 day trip with a bitter, angry know it all. It takes the smile right off your face.

Can you tell I just got home and I'm writing angry? LOL.

Oh, and yesterday was the first day I flew the CRJ 200/700 and 900 all in one day. After flying that 900 around, I feel like I"m back in the brasilia when I get back in the 200.
 
mrivc211 said:
It ain't my fault you decided to leave your old flying job to come to my airline to get your quick upgrade only to find out it ain't gonna be so quick. Don't fly with me if your bitter at the world, angry at everyone, and not willing to do your job professionally. Don't bring everyone else down because you're little plan of 2.75 years at a regional isn't going to work out.

Because of your attitude, your a hazard when you fly. You make a cockpit environment unsafe. The next time I fly with you, I'll ask nicely, then ask that you be removed.

To all the up and comers out there, it is not easy flying a 4 day trip with a bitter, angry know it all. It takes the smile right off your face.

Can you tell I just got home and I'm writing angry? LOL.

Oh, and yesterday was the first day I flew the CRJ 200/700 and 900 all in one day. After flying that 900 around, I feel like I"m back in the brasilia when I get back in the 200.
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Is this attitude you write about fairly common at your airline or the regionals in general?
 
Being an FO at a regional is not a good job. I don't blame the guy one bit for being pissed. Personally I was lucky to have upgraded when I did, but am tired of captains who 'WAITED' to upgrade at 3 whole years, straight into a line in the jet, who think they paid their dues. NOT saying that's you, just that I feel for the FOs who will be FOs for the forseeable future. But yes, any bad attitudes should be gate checked along with the oversized carry-ons.
 
Along those lines...

It always disgusts me to fly with people that use their perceived misfortunes as an excuse to be unprofessional. This is especially true after flying with a number of 15-20 year veterans with great attitudes (and work histories that are FAR more wobbly - 2+ furloughs) than some 28 year old captain who isn't at SWA yet.

Yes, we ALL deserve more. That being said, making your life seem more miserable than it is and taking it out on your coworkers is laughable.
 
I was going to say it sounds like you described me.
I would say I am no where near the unsafe or hazardous in the cockpit category though.

If you do happen to be fortunate enough to left seat with me you will hear plenty about how much I love my commute, how much i love the pay, how much in general the company I work for sucks.

The good thing about where I work though is that 90% of the time it is a collaborative conversation and demonstrates great CRM.
 
You know, I could sit in the cockpit and talk about any number of things:

How it was harder for me because:

*I had no father to help me
*I lived in a relatives garage until I was 9
*Grew up on food stamps
*Had to have 2 jobs when I was 14 to support my mom and me
*Had to bust my butt getting up at 2am when I was 23 and work 18 hours throwing bags, pulling feces and urine out of a aircraft lav, throwing bags at 5am, then driving home 2 hours to flight instruct and doing it 6 days a week

The list goes on.......trust me....

But I show up to work, with a smile, not thinking of the bad things that happened to me. I try to make others around me smile, and enjoy their time around me. Whether I or you or anyone got into the left seat while the going was hot, doesn't make it any easier doing this job. We all had and still have our struggles.

For the love of what ever the heck you beleive in, please leave your problems at home. Lets have fun for 4 days, and then go back to what you were pissed about.
 
We had a pilot fly with us for 6 months, and the ONLY subject I ever heard him discuss was how much our company sucked. How pathetic his paycheck was. How stupid dispatch was. How he would leave at the first chance he got.

I know buddy, I'm in the exact same boat. However listening to you whine about it is just making me more miserable. Are you a football fan? See a good movie? Just change the subject for God's sake.
 
USMCmech said:
We had a pilot fly with us for 6 months, and the ONLY subject I ever heard him discuss was how much our company sucked. How pathetic his paycheck was. How stupid dispatch was. How he would leave at the first chance he got.

I know buddy, I'm in the exact same boat. However listening to you whine about it is just making me more miserable. Are you a football fan? See a good movie? Just change the subject for God's sake.
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Your taking my post as a whine. Its not intended as that. Its intent is to tell the idiots of the flying world to stop coming to work with that attitude. Time to head to the beach.
 
mrivc211 said:
Your taking my post as a whine. Its not intended as that. Its intent is to tell the idiots of the flying world to stop coming to work with that attitude. Time to head to the beach.
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Actually, I was agreeing with you.

We all know the industry sucks right now, but constantly whining about it to somebody who can't do anything to fix it is just silly.

Let's talk about how the Raiders suck, or the awesomeness of the Spurs, or anything.
 
mrivc211 said:
Its hit or miss. Some guys are great. Others, not so much. I just happened to get the not so much to the extreme for 4 days!!!
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Tell them to stop sniveling- they could be at Eagle.

The "Decade to Upgrade" program is ALIVE AND WELL here.

Attitude is everything- in flying and in life. Remind them that even if their present situation is less than ideal, they're only making it worse- unnecessarily, at that.
 
It's not just there, this attitude is trickling down everywhere and it's pissing me off. I am the only flight instructor left at my company from the time I started. We have had around 10 come and go and the story is the same, all upset that they have 400 hours and aren't flying jets yet. Now I don't really care about people getting all worked up about SJS, because the way I look at it, if a guy has a goal to fly jets, then by all means let him dream and bust his butt to get there. However, understand the big picture, bust your butt at EVERY phase of your career to get there. FLight instructing is the first phase. I can't stand how guys come in, halfass their job, leave after a couple months because they aren't where they thought they would be, and leave their students to me and their students have no foundation or discipline in the cockpit, not to mention NO GROUND AT ALL. Come on guys, you are a professional flight instructor, it's your job to train these folks to be safe, competent pilots, not just use a guy to get another hour. Quit bitching about how bad it is and how upset you are that you aren't at a regional, and put that energy into your students. Sorry for the thread jack, but I can guarantee these guys are the same ones that get to the regional, find out that its not the promised land they thought it would be, and end up bitching your ear off for 4 days...
 
Perhaps we should all invest in a roadside billboard that reads "400 hour jet pilots was the exception, not the rule".
 
USMCmech said:
Actually, I was agreeing with you.

We all know the industry sicks right now, but constantly whining about it to somebody who can't do anything to fix it is just silly.

Let's talk about how the Raiders suck, or the awesomeness of the Spurs, or anything.
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Oh, sorry, its that whole internet thing, you can't tell sometimes.......know what I mean? :)
 
Firebird2XC said:
Tell them to stop sniveling- they could be at Eagle.

The "Decade to Upgrade" program is ALIVE AND WELL here.

Attitude is everything- in flying and in life. Remind them that even if their present situation is less than ideal, they're only making it worse- unnecessarily, at that.
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I've tried. It only seems to urge them on more to prove you wrong. So now, I don't respond, smile back, and try my hardest to see things with the sun in their eyes. I wish I could also talk about a more serious issue, but we just had our council forbid any of that on internet forums, so I can't speak of it.
 
Goldmember said:
It's not just there, this attitude is trickling down everywhere and it's pissing me off. I am the only flight instructor left at my company from the time I started. We have had around 10 come and go and the story is the same, all upset that they have 400 hours and aren't flying jets yet. Now I don't really care about people getting all worked up about SJS, because the way I look at it, if a guy has a goal to fly jets, then by all means let him dream and bust his butt to get there. However, understand the big picture, bust your butt at EVERY phase of your career to get there. FLight instructing is the first phase. I can't stand how guys come in, halfass their job, leave after a couple months because they aren't where they thought they would be, and leave their students to me and their students have no foundation or discipline in the cockpit, not to mention NO GROUND AT ALL. Come on guys, you are a professional flight instructor, it's your job to train these folks to be safe, competent pilots, not just use a guy to get another hour. Quit bitching about how bad it is and how upset you are that you aren't at a regional, and put that energy into your students. Sorry for the thread jack, but I can guarantee these guys are the same ones that get to the regional, find out that its not the promised land they thought it would be, and end up bitching your ear off for 4 days...
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Have you been secretly intercepting my thoughts in my sleep? :)
 
mrivc211 said:
I've tried. It only seems to urge them on more to prove you wrong. So now, I don't respond, smile back, and try my hardest to see things with the sun in their eyes. I wish I could also talk about a more serious issue, but we just had our council forbid any of that on internet forums, so I can't speak of it.
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PM me if you like. I can do more with your issue than you might know.
 
E_Dawg said:
Being an FO at a regional is not a good job. I don't blame the guy one bit for being pissed. Personally I was lucky to have upgraded when I did, but am tired of captains who 'WAITED' to upgrade at 3 whole years, straight into a line in the jet, who think they paid their dues. NOT saying that's you, just that I feel for the FOs who will be FOs for the forseeable future. But yes, any bad attitudes should be gate checked along with the oversized carry-ons.
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I feel for them, I really do. But Ed, you know what makes my sympathy go away? When I think of the hard work I put in, paid for jepps, never got paid during training, paid for uniforms, etc etc and I never came to work bitching, I always came to work with a smile. I remember one day finishing a trip with this one captain who I just ran into in LAX. We blocked in at a rainy SFO, walked into the crew lounge, and I had a HUGE smile on my face. I remember telling that captain that I didn't make a lot of money, but I was happier than I had ever been in life. My pay rate was 19.02/hour flying 8 legs in the bro(just like u did at AMF).

The kicker was at the time, I had no clue captain upgrade was going to be 1.5 years, no one did. That thought was in the back of my mind. My feeling was, it would come when it would come. It just happened to come early.

I came here expecting nothing and got the world. Theres guys that came here from other places expecting the world and got an orange.

When I say I got the world, I don't mean my quick upgrade, I mean I got the chance to do what I love and be proud of what I do. I can EASILY spot the guys who came here for the wrong reason.

They show up looking like a grey hound bus driver. You know the only way some gate agents in SLC figure out I'm at the regional and not mainline? My age. I commuted home from SLC last night, and while waiting for boarding, I noticed EVERY DL pilot wearing FULL uniform. Hat, blazer, pressed, clean! No ipod, no sunglasses on their head, no wrinkled yellowish shirt sticking out. These guys were spot on.

I thought about how my pilot group just didn't get the picture. Then I thought, maybe its not that they don't get the picture, its just that they came to this airline with the mindset of not taking this profession seriously.

Show up looking like a professional, and you'll be treated as such. I'm not directing this at you Ed, I'm just speaking in general. Oh and by the way, props are for boats.
 
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