3 things about helicopters...

Eh, to many moving parts to break. At least in an airplane if it stalls you can recover. From What I hear about a helo, if the blade stalls, your screwed.

Not really. Most of the time part of the retreating blade is operating in the stalled region in forward flight. I taught combat maneuvers in the Blackhawk and it was very maneuverable.
 
That was just on the Huey.
Osprey has them. I thought all helo's did? :confused:
Technical name was mast nut.

Funny thing, working at both CBP as well as an AF Reserve HH-60 unit.

Majority of -60 pilots at CBP are former Army, primarily WOs, with a few RLOs.

When I'm crewing with them, I help with the preflight, etc, as much as I can when they're preflighting the bird; generally one guy takes the roof and the main rotor system, while the other does the walkaround.

Over at my AF unit, I inquired to one of the pilots a question that I'd thought of regards the cannon plug connections for the tailrotor deice system. He looked at me dumbfounded and told me he didn't know, since he'd never been up the tailboom/tailboom steps before. In the AF apparently, the Flight Engineer on the HH-60 preflights, and the best way to piss one of them off as a pilot, is to do a preflight on the bird they're assigned to. Pilots in the AF just do a quick "kick the tires" walkaround.

Interesting differences between pilots of the same aircraft, who are just from different services.
USMC pilots just do a quick walk around. Takes less than 2 minutes. But the enlisted crew has already done everything else and has bird to engine start when the pilot comes out.
From what I understand of AF things are way different. Like the crew chiefs are a different job than they are in Marines, I think AF calls them flight engineers. And I guess FE's don't do any mainteance from what I've been told.

We once found a watch in the driveshaft section on an acceptance inspection of a new aircraft from factory. :eek:
 
Yeah, it made us feel important looking in every nook and cranny. Of course over my career I did find some tools left on aircraft, including a screwdriver underneath the tail rotor drive shaft cover. That would have been a mess.

I knew a guy that had a mechanic leave a crescent wrench on top of the engine wedged under the fuel rails. It easily rode 15 some hours in there and luckily didn't stop any spinny things from spinning freely.
 
Crazy!

Someone once left a vacuum attachment in the engine compartment, about a 2 ft long piece. The CC was a crusty old Gunny who found it. Needless to say we, because no one came forward, got a pretty good ass chewing over it, even though it was only plastic and nothing for it to really damage, the fact taht someone over looked a piece so big was unbelievable.
 
We had a good postflight inspection by one pilot. For some reason he decided to pop open the engine cowling... and noticed before he opened it that there was an unusually large amount of heat coming off of it. After letting it cool off it was popped open and it was found that two sections of the engine had come loose. Hot exhaust gas was being vented into the engine compartment. Parts of the aircraft frame and beams were warped by the heat- not something you normally find on a parts shelf. The Army had to wait for a break in the production line at Sikorsky to have them make new ones. When we left theater 9 months later the aircraft was still sitting in the depot down in Arifjan.
 
Osprey has them. I thought all helo's did? :confused:
Technical name was mast nut.

Not if you have a fully articulated rotor system. The rotor hub in the Blackhawk is a single piece of titanium. If I remember correctly the blades are held in place by elastomeric bearings and a backup retention bolt. Never heard of a blade coming off.
 
Not if you have a fully articulated rotor system. The rotor hub in the Blackhawk is a single piece of titanium. If I remember correctly the blades are held in place by elastomeric bearings and a backup retention bolt. Never heard of a blade coming off.

How often have you seen the cyclic runaway that requires 130lbs to keep it down and the AFCS (I think), the unit that keeps you stabilized go out?
 
How often have you seen the cyclic runaway that requires 130lbs to keep it down and the AFCS (I think), the unit that keeps you stabilized go out?

In the Chinook I've never heard of anyone having a cyclic runaway (or thrust or pedals either since they are all connected), but the AFCS goes out all the time - most of the time intentionally for training. The first time flying with the AFCS off is like trying to stay on a bucking bull while covered in KY, but you get used to it.
 
"My definition of a helicopter is 6 million separate pieces flying in an unstable formation. I hate 'em like the plague."

Cool Breeze
-if you can name the show you will be my hero.

"C'mon, think positive."

The Unit. Too easy. That was Dirt Diver that said that, though. Bob was the pilot.
 
How often have you seen the cyclic runaway that requires 130lbs to keep it down and the AFCS (I think), the unit that keeps you stabilized go out?

Never heard of a cyclic runaway occuring. We practiced AFCS off operations quite frequently (it was part of the annual check ride). The aircraft is less stable (I would not want to be in instrument conditions), but very much flyable.
 
Never heard of a cyclic runaway occuring. We practiced AFCS off operations quite frequently (it was part of the annual check ride). The aircraft is less stable (I would not want to be in instrument conditions), but very much flyable.

Flying with it off wasn't too bad, I can't imagine hovering though.
 
Not if you have a fully articulated rotor system. The rotor hub in the Blackhawk is a single piece of titanium. If I remember correctly the blades are held in place by elastomeric bearings and a backup retention bolt. Never heard of a blade coming off.
the j nut doesn't hold the blades on, it holds the hub on. Whether or not the hub is a single piece has nothing to do with the j nut.

On the V22 it has 3 blades each one held to the hub with a giant 'bolt' which isn't really a bolt at all just a giant tube which functions as a bolt. Well I guess that is a bolt but not in the general sense. Each blade has elastomeric bearings that allow the blade to flex IIRC, in other words absorb the vibes and the feathering that takes place. These were attched to the grip. Then each of those three are attached to the yoke. Then the j nut holds it all down to the proprotor mast.
 
the j nut doesn't hold the blades on, it holds the hub on. Whether or not the hub is a single piece has nothing to do with the j nut.

On the V22 it has 3 blades each one held to the hub with a giant 'bolt' which isn't really a bolt at all just a giant tube which functions as a bolt. Well I guess that is a bolt but not in the general sense. Each blade has elastomeric bearings that allow the blade to flex IIRC, in other words absorb the vibes and the feathering that takes place. These were attched to the grip. Then each of those three are attached to the yoke. Then the j nut holds it all down to the proprotor mast.

If I remember correctly from the UH-1H (it's been over 15 years since I was last in a unit that had them), the J nut actually kept the blades on the hub since it was a teeter totter type rotor system attached to the mast. J nut comes off and the blades come off. It has been a while, however.
 
If I remember correctly from the UH-1H (it's been over 15 years since I was last in a unit that had them), the J nut actually kept the blades on the hub since it was a teeter totter type rotor system attached to the mast. J nut comes off and the blades come off. It has been a while, however.
Honestly, not sure.
Only aircraft I've ever worked on was the V22. From everything I've been told from others though, the Osprey program has quite an eclectic mix, the J nut is always the nut that holds the hub to the mast.
 
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