It's not that hard...

Nark

Nark

Macho Superpilot
To deny a clearance if you don't thnk you can accomplish it safely.

Yeah I'm talking to you MYF instructor from Sunday afternoon.
 
They were given a clearance, took their sweet time complying then committed an act the FAA, AOPA and a handful of other organizations talk about pretty much every month.

So bottom line, if you accept the clearance-do it. If you can't do it safely say, " tower, unable"
 
Ahh hell.

Dude in the Seminole was cleared to taxi across when we were 1 mile final. Decide not to start moving until we were over the numbers. Having a few hours in the ol beast myself I know it's a handful taxiing straight ahead (yes that was sarcasm)
 
dhc2tacksby said:
Ahh hell.

Dude in the Seminole was cleared to taxi across when we were 1 mile final. Decide not to start moving until we were over the numbers. Having a few hours in the ol beast myself I know it's a handful taxiing straight ahead (yes that was sarcasm)
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Eh.... Sounds like an ATC mistake as well. If the seminole didnt start moving they should have had him stay put after a slight delay. Did it cause you to go around or something? I see these things nearly every day and never think of making a huge deal about them. Annoying perhaps, but at times you have to let your students make their own mistakes and make it a teaching moment...
 
Alright I'll speculate. An ATP seminole was cleared for an immediate take off and he's ticked off because he had to do a go around. But if he just flew a normal approach (instead of a short approach) the spacing would have been fine.
 
Old Pete said:
Alright I'll speculate. An ATP seminole was cleared for an immediate take off and he's ticked off because he had to do a go around. But if he just flew a normal approach (instead of a short approach) the spacing would have been fine.
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Old Pete, you missed it already... He put the reason...
 
Ironically I just taught the student about "go-around" the previous touch and go so he was on the ball in that sense.

The pilot (ATP) should have better sense to start taxiing across the runway when there is a plane 30' over the threshold.
 
Actually given the whole story, I would say it is a little tough. Sounds like ATC cleared them to cross and you were close on final. The instructor and the student second guess ATC's clearance and check it out for themselves before moving (as they should). Once they realize there is enough time, the student probably looks at the instructor for confirmation. The instructor tells the student to hurry up. Off they go, but too late now. And you had to go around.

Sounds like a good learning experience all around. Tower should have paid more attention. Seminole should have moved faster or denied clearance. You could have even done something, like maybe slow down as much as possible (If you had not already)
 
LoadMasterC141 said:
Actually given the whole story, I would say it is a little tough. Sounds like ATC cleared them to cross and you were close on final. The instructor and the student second guess ATC's clearance and check it out for themselves before moving (as they should). Once they realize there is enough time, the student probably looks at the instructor for confirmation. The instructor tells the student to hurry up. Off they go, but too late now. And you had to go around.

Sounds like a good learning experience all around. Tower should have paid more attention. Seminole should have moved faster or denied clearance. You could have even done something, like maybe slow down as much as possible (If you had not already)
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It was Y O U! :yar:
 
LoadMasterC141 said:
Sounds like a good learning experience all around. Tower should have paid more attention. Seminole should have moved faster or denied clearance. You could have even done something, like maybe slow down as much as possible (If you had not already)
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Or verify your landing clearance. That's not that hard either, and it reminds tower that there's possibly a situation. Also, If you think that these situations stop outside of the training environment your wrong. I can't count how often thats happened in ATL.

Remember, Pilots and controllers are people, people make mistakes. The bottom line is that its up to all of us to be safe. Whether you think its your fault or not.
 
Kind of silly to get worked up after having to go around. It's not your runway until your mains touch down. Just look at it like an extra .1 for your logbook and a reason to train how to do go arounds.
 
No, it's my runway when I get clearance to land. It doesn't mean that I'm going to land though.

Also I'm not instructing to build flight time, I have enough time to get me into trouble elsewhere.
 
dhc2tacksby said:
No, it's my runway when I get clearance to land. It doesn't mean that I'm going to land though.

Also I'm not instructing to build flight time, I have enough time to get me into trouble elsewhere.
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It's actually never your runway. The controler is just nice enough to let you play on it. Why do you think they let you know that sometimes they are "departing one" prior to you. So, do you still think it was the Seminoles fault, or the controlers fault for not leaving enough space?

I vote for the controler, since he'd be the one getting in trouble. A clearance is permission to use whatever you have asked to use, nothing else. Remember, you to were once a novice aviator, and may have been the harkening of someone elses woah's.
 
I have no doubt I was the harkening of someone elses woah's.
The controller gives me a yardstick every time they give me a clearance; it's up to me as the pilot/PIC to use 1" or the whole yard safely.

Like I've said in the previous post's to this thread, it was whoever was touching the controls of the Seminole who made a poor decision.
 
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