Colgan Flight 3407 Continued.

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JetsGoWhee said:
Don't know if anyone else caught this, but according to NBC Nightly News tonight, the Saab 340 is now a jet.

They were trying to build a case against the CA not having time in props.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/#29226906

Oh my God! These guys are so negligent in their research. How hard is it to google-image a Saab 340 and notice the little spinny things in front of the engines.

I tell ya, it's difficult to not get worked up over the media reports when details as simple as this are being construed as completely opposite to actuality, all for the sake of making the crew look incompetent. But it's simple to do so when the crew can not defend themselves.

*Angry*

On top of this, the media continues to completely ignore NTSB statements that the crew was NOT VIOLATING COMPANY POLICY!
 
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JetsGoWhee said:
Don't know if anyone else caught this, but according to NBC Nightly News tonight, the Saab 340 is now a jet.

They were trying to build a case against the CA not having time in props.
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Yea, and supposedly the Captain's low time in the Q400 (around 200 hours) contributed to the accident because you are supposed to pull up in a SAAB when in a stalling condition and he had a lack of experience in planes where you are supposed to push forward in a stall. Brilliant.
 
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I'd also like to address to the reporter(s) who registered with JC, or any other forum for that matter, in a desperate attempt to break the latest, contrived news story. This is a tight, intelligent community. We can recognize posers who may or may not have just reached a new low in their career. Scum is an understatement. (*ahem* "Snoopy")
 
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TUCKnTRUCK said:
I never really bought the "icing" theory. As they say after flap extension there was a 31 degree pitch up movement followed by the shaker and pusher. Does anybody else remember the runaway trim and jammed contoll training events?combined with the pitch change with adding flaps, a runaway trim would be hard to deal with. Again speculation. But I have a hard time accepting ice unless there were contributing factors.
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Agree! As a general rule unless there are verbal clues from the cockpit about what's gone wrong the first "best theory" is usually wrong. There was icing that night but nothing severe. Other pilots who came into Buffalo reported ice but only after they were asked about it post 3407. There were no pilot to pilot warnings being sent out re: dangerous icing.
 
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AMH said:
I'd also like to address to the reporter(s) who registered with JC, or any other forum for that matter, in a desperate attempt to break the latest, contrived news story. This is a tight, intelligent community. We can recognize posers who may or may not have just reached a new low in their career. Scum is an understatement. (*ahem* "Snoopy")
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Hilarious!! No doubt our community is an intelligent one but sadly that doesn't mean everyone within it is in possession of intelligence. (*ahem* "AMH")
Your level of paranoia is funny though just a tad creepy. Really hoping you have a ground job. ;)
 
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Snoopy2 said:
Hilarious!! No doubt our community is an intelligent one but sadly that doesn't mean everyone within it is in possession of intelligence. (*ahem* "AMH")
Your level of paranoia is funny though just a tad creepy. Really hoping you have a ground job. ;)
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Where did you get the Snoopy2 name? I'm only asking because the MetLife blimp flies out of KGKY and the uses the call Snoopy2.

Just curious...
 
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Snoopy2 said:
Hilarious!! No doubt our community is an intelligent one but sadly that doesn't mean everyone within it is in possession of intelligence. (*ahem* "AMH")
Your level of paranoia is funny though just a tad creepy. Really hoping you have a ground job. ;)
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Well... usually pilots, be they private, corporate, or airline, don't register within days or hours of an accident and immediately start "contributing" to threads about it. Most people who register at that sort of time are only trying to find the quick scoop..... or report it. I can't help but be extremely suspicious of 40 new users registered in this time frame, one of which includes you.

I'm sorry if you feel like you're under a microscope, but I don't find it as funny, and much creepier, that people join a forum JUST because of this.

Then again, this is the society.... I wrote an e-mail to CBS2 LA who posted on their website an article from the AP with erroneous information. This is the same CBS 2 where there is a link on the left, under Local News, US & World, etc., that says "Car Chases".... I crap you not! A NEWS agency has CAR chases as a link for its viewers to go to.

:banghead:

P.S..... Snoopy2, 6 of your 8 posts have been in THIS thread. What are you here for?
 
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Snoopy2 said:
Hilarious!! No doubt our community is an intelligent one but sadly that doesn't mean everyone within it is in possession of intelligence. (*ahem* "AMH")
Your level of paranoia is funny though just a tad creepy. Really hoping you have a ground job. ;)
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During times like these people are naturally more protective of their community. I'm sure you can understand that. We are a community which has suffered a great trauma. Many of us were deeply affected by the tragedy that occurred last Thursday and we form a tighter circle. If you in fact are a new member, without ulterior motive, then we are sorry to make accusations. Intelligent people know that the media will sometimes resort to less than honorable ways to get the red meat they want for a story. If you look on TV and see the ignorance displayed and its exponential growth as one inaccurate report feeds another any reasonable person can see that we are cautious for a reason.

Remember the adage, "Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they’re not out to get you." Casting aspersions on our member’s intelligence will do you no good. Try to show a little compassion and we will forgive and welcome you into our community with open arms. It just may take a little longer than normal, under the circumstances.
 
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Did I miss where Snoopy2 said he/she was a journalist?

While we may or may not agree with anything the individual wrote, let's all reel in the accusations for the sake of this thread. K?

As for joining a community and posting therein very soon after a tradegy - I am "guilty" of doing the very same thing when I joined this site.

Perhaps it was just timing or that Snoopy2 felt he/she had something he/she needed/wanted to contribute.

In short - everybody take a breath and take the individual battles to PM for now.

Thanks.
 
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ready2fly said:
Did I miss where Snoopy2 said he/she was a journalist?

While we may or may not agree with anything the individual wrote, let's all reel in the accusations for the sake of this thread. K?

As for joining a community and posting therein very soon after a tradegy - I am "guilty" of doing the very same thing when I joined this site.

Perhaps it was just timing or that Snoopy2 felt he/she had something he/she needed/wanted to contribute.

In short - everybody take a breath and take the individual battles to PM for now.

Thanks.
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Somebody joined APC and flightinfo and has made almost the sames posts on all three web sites.
 
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AMH said:
Sadly, private messages provide no exposure. But the damage is done and out of respect for you so am I.
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Don't stop out of respect for me. I have no dog in this hunt.

Knock it off for the Colgan family and the memory of those who lost their lives on Thursday.

That's all I'm saying.
 
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Hey AMH - I like that avatar of yours :) It's funny. I'm glad I got to laugh today.

It's really hard to steer this thread in the right direction without speculating though. If we could just post NTSB news conference information, that could be a gateway to learning as they discover without throwing any crazy erroneous information out there...
 
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Gonzo said:
Somebody joined APC and flightinfo and has made almost the sames posts on all three web sites.
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Meaning.......?????? :confused::confused:

(let me add that I'm extremely tired tonight :D )
 
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TUCKnTRUCK said:
I never really bought the "icing" theory. As they say after flap extension there was a 31 degree pitch up movement followed by the shaker and pusher. Does anybody else remember the runaway trim and jammed contoll training events?combined with the pitch change with adding flaps, a runaway trim would be hard to deal with. Again speculation. But I have a hard time accepting ice unless there were contributing factors.
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Watch this video, it might change your opinion:

NASA tailplane icing video
 
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Settle down a tad people.

Why get upset if in fact a non-pilot (whether press or lawyer or layman) has joined this site? Can't some good come of it instead of assuming that bad things will be the result?
 
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To remove myself from the insanity, I'm not a narc. I've endured >1 of my family's planes crashing, taking 9 of my relatives lives.
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001214X35899&key=1
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=38283&key=0

I currently own an A36 http://www.landings.com/evird.acgi?pass=120708027&ref=-&mtd=41&cgi=%2Fcgi-bin%2Fnph-search_nnr&var=0&buf=66&src=_landings%2Fpages%2Fsearch_nnr.html&nnumber=89pd and these things intrigue me.
 
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Sorry to hear that. Were you in question?
 
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Talk about throwing your "brothers and sisters" under the bus...

“As a general rule, the experience level in regional airlines is about a tenth of the experience level in major airlines,” said Douglas M. Moss, an airline pilot with more than 30,000 hours in the air and president of AeroPacific Consulting of Torrance, Calif.
“There’s a huge experience disparity. It should raise the eyebrows of a lot of people,” he said.
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http://www.buffalonews.com/377/story/581544.html
 
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