Whaaaaat? NTSB Accident/Incident @ STL

[SpiceWeasel]

Why did I miss this? Is there already a thread about this?

NTSB IdentificationDFW08CA215
Scheduled 14 CFR Part 121 Air Carrier operation of TRANS STATE AIRLINES (D.B.A. American Connection)
Aircraft EMBRAER EMB-145LR (N814HK)
Injuries 36 Uninjured.
Accident occurred Thursday, August 14, 2008 in St. Louis, MO
While en route to the destination airport, the first officer (FO) warns that his flaps 45 degrees landings are “a little extreme.” The FO continues by stating that the landings are “a little non-standard, but it’s way more fun.” The flight data recorder (FDR) showed an increased in the airplane’s pitch angle at approximately 34 feet above ground level. The landing flare continues to increase to approximately 13 degrees of pitch angle with a corresponding angle of attack of 17 degrees. The airplane’s stick shaker/stall warning system activates seconds prior to the airplane’s landings. During the landing sequence, the airplane’s tail sections contacted the runway.

:crazy:

 

[JumpWake]

They were just putting the airplane through it's paces before it goes back to Eagle next year....



















kidding

 

[SpiceWeasel]

They were just putting the airplane through it's paces before it goes back to Eagle next year....

That's funny right there.

Oddly enough FO's like that are everywhere. :banghead:

To quote Stuart.... "look what I can do!"

 

[DPApilot]

To quote Stuart.... "look what I can do!"

:yup::yup::yup:

 

[kellwolf]

I wanna know why the CA didn't push on the yoke or do SOMETHING......

 

[JumpWake]

I was wondering the same thing when I was reading the report for the first time. I know the FO. Still here, surprisingly.

 

[SpiceWeasel]

They have the CA's times listed but not the FO.... 13K with 4K in type. Still.... awefully strange...

http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-e145-46.htm

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=N814HK&distinct_entry=true

#FAA1 Accident/Incident Occurred on: 2005-05-19
Narrative: (-23) ON MAY 19, 2005, AT ABOUT 09:25 CENTRAL DAYLIGHT TIME, TRANS STATES AIRLINES FLIGHT 5699, AN EMBRAER EMB-145LR AIRPLANE, N814HK, SUSTAINED UNCONTAINED DAMAGE TO THE LEFT ENGINE, A ROLLS ROYCE AE3007A1 TURBOFAN, AS THE AIRPLANE WAS CLIMBING THROUGH FL 310 NEAR KANSAS CITY, MISSOURI. THE FLIGHT CREW REPORTED THAT AS THE AIRPLANE WAS CLIMBING THROUGH FL 310, THE FLIGHT ATTENDANT REPORTED A LOUD CRASHING NOISE IN THE REAR OF THE CABIN. ADDITIONALLY, A PASSENGER REPORTED SEEING A FLASH FROM THE LEFT ENGINE. THE CAPTAIN STATED THAT HE VISUALLY CHECKED THE LEFT ENGINE AND SAW A HOLE IN THE COWL. THE CAPTAIN ALSO REPORTED THE LEFT ENGINE'S N1 AND N2 RPM AND INTERTURBINE TEMPERATURE WERE LOWER THAN THE RIGHT ENGINE AND THAT THE AIRPLANE WOULD NOT ACCELERATE TO CRUISE SPEED. THE FLIGHT CREW KEPT THE LEFT ENGINE RUNNING, BUT ELECTED TO RETURN TO ST. LOUIS, MISSOURI AND DECLARED AN EMERGENCY. THE CREW REPORTED THAT WHILE THEY WERE APPROACHING ST. LOUIS AND RETARDED THE POWER LEVERS TO IDLE, THEY HAD THEIR FIRST INDICATION OF VIBRATION FROM THE LEFT ENGINE. THE CREW STATED THAT THEY THEN SHUTDOWN THE LEFT ENGINE AND LANDED WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT. NO INJURIES TO CREW, 49 PASSENGERS & 2 LAP CHILDREN.

#FAA2 Accident/Incident Occurred on: 2008-08-14
Narrative: (-23) AIRCRAFT N814HK, WHILE ON APPROACH TO LAND AT LAMBERT-ST. LOUIS INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT (STL), SUFFERED SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE TO THE REAR FUSELAGE SECTION OF THE AIRFRAME WHEN IT CAME IN CONTACT WITH THE RUNWAY SURFACE. INVESTIGATION REVEALED THE AIRCRAFT FINAL APPROACH ANGLE OF ATTACK AT TOUCHDOWN WAS EXCESSIVE CAUSING THE AIRCRAFT TAIL TO STRIKE THE RUNWAY CAUSING SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE.

Not the first time this thing has had issues... but the first time it's due to crew.

 

[JumpWake]

Let's just say the captain is "senior" in waterski-land.

 

[Gonzo]

13K with 4K in type we call that an FO here at Eagle. :crazy:anic:

 

[Minuteman]

Oh I'll be the shlub ... "You Tube" vs "Auto Land"

 

[SpiceWeasel]

Oh I'll be the shlub ... "You Tube" vs "Auto Land"

Thanks... I figured it had been mentioned somewhere. But it almost deserves its own thread. Or maybe we shouldn't have TWO threads talking about careless and reckless FOs in 121 cockpits?

I think 2 would be appropriate.